I am pretty certain that the SL side can do as it pleases regarding termination of both dual registrations and loans.

I have always viewed the dual contract system with scepticism and considered it designed to exploit Championship clubs by promising us the crumbs from the SL table.

Thsi is a clear indication of the Super League Europe and the RFL's opinion of Championship clubs as second class citizens. Not very nice is it.

so can he return to you after the month or not, as i understood the dual reg as only being able to have 4, and also i am sure even if he did not return widnes could not select a replacement as all 4 are signed dual reg players thus using there allocation, only wondering as we (LEIGH)have also used all 4 slots.and the same could happen to us mitchell,blyth,mcarthy (wire) emmett (saints)

I can fully understand why Wigan would want Ainscough to go to Castleford and gain some SL experience. I can understand, due to Richard Owen’s injury, why Cas would ask if they could loan Ainscough. It’s best for all concerned – except Widnes.

Whilst we cannot argue that we have not had some benefit from his brief sojourn here, it does sort of make a complete mockery of the Dual-Contract system and, indeed, the registration system within RL. We now have a player that is registered with 3 clubs, and this has happened within the space of a month!

Basically the RFL, by giving no protection whatsoever to Championship clubs in DR contracts, are telling us that we are not important in the slightest and that we will always be the beggars and never the choosers. It’s a pity that this didn’t come a few weeks later, when we have our own players back. The only saving grace in all this is the fact that we actually have a couple of good ‘uns waiting in the wings (no pun intended). If we were totally reliant on this DC player, as some clubs will be with some of their DR players, it could have had a major impact on our season.

I’m not too sure if I’d like to continue with Dual-Reg players next season. I think I’d rather just stick with the loan system in order to cover any injuries. Hopefully this is the deathnell for the Dual-Reg system.

Finally, I’d like to say thank you and good luck to Shaun Ainscough.

If this deal has been done with the blessing of your BoD then fair enough.

If not, then your BoD ought to send the rest of the dual purpose players back to Wigan
and tell them to F off and find some other mugs.

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Seems the system is designed to suit SL Clubs and SL Clubs only !!

feel for widnes here.
the dual registration rule has now shown that its all in favour of SL. any SL team can now watch the players in the championship and then go to club and take them on loan if doing well.

I agree - i am glad that Fax havent as yet got any Dual players - the loan system worked fine(ish) in the past.

But a club could always activate a clause in a loan contract to recall their player any time anyway, couldn't they? Isn't that what happened when we had Kopczack from those losers at Odsal? I'm not sure whether having a group of players that doesn't train with the club they represent (temporarily or not) is such a good thing though.

If i was the coach now i would drop farrell and tell them to stuff the dual registration.Chris Dean is another player who has hardly played for us.What will happen with leigh if their players start to do well?It a ing joke and i drop farrell and use one of our own players.Best deals are a season loan or a 3 month loan.Be ok dual if was with Wigan or Widnes but not to get loaned to cas.He cant play against Wigan.

Why put the team at a disadvantage by dropping a player like Farrell.

I think RB's saying drop him in order to stuff Wigan up!

Thats a stupid idea, Ainscough was always the most likely to be called back and i know whats happened isnt ideal but it' s up to Wigan what they do. Farrell and Davies wont be going anywhere, Wigan have a load of forwards and they are safe at Widnes barring any major injury crisis.

Paddy Flynn is also not far from a return.

can't disagree with any of that (glad we've managed to get him on loan though

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That's right, VM.

It doesn't really affect us the same way it would a Championship club without a full academy set up. Like I said in my last post in this thread, some clubs would be far more dependant on their Duel-Reg players than we are, and that would be nearly every other club. We have Flynn, Thompson, Yates, and Crompton who could replace Ainscough and Gaskell later on in the season.

I think the rest of the Championship clubs may think twice before signing DR players after this, because they will lack the options we have.

It’s the greater significance for the Dual-Reg system as a whole this situation has put in doubt, rather than it being a disaster for Widnes.

Aye, he’ll be a very good replacement for Owen imo; ideal in fact.

Who said farrell wont go anywhere?He is on dual like ainscough and chris dean.Chris Dean has hardly played for us.What if farrell plays really well and wigan call him back to loan to Salford,crusaders or to whoever?

Then he’ll be covered by Allen, Gerrard or Doran, with one of our juniors playing in the 2nd row. So no problem.

Wigan second row choices

Harrison Hansen
Joel Tomkins
Phil Bailey
Lee Mossop


He's currently 5th choice and you only tend to carry one second rower on the bench if any so i dont think he will be back at Wigan anytime soon. Chris Dean hasnt played due to a slight shoulder injury.

Your making to much of this.

It is, of course, now possible that another SL club could ask Wigan to loan Farrell to them. Either way, we’ll be OK. The Dual-Reg system may die a death though.

I doubt it will happen anyway. Farrell hasn’t played a first team game at SL level yet, so I don’t think he’ll be quite as an attractive prospect as Ainscough is.





Yet

I didn't see this coming. It makes a bit of a mockery of the whole system to be honest. They've taken him off us, only to give him to someone else. And now we're in the lurch because we can't replace him.

I mean, good luck to the lad, seriously, he's been great and he will be very good in the future. But I can't help but feel a little sour about it. We need to keep an eye on this. I've been quietly okay with the dual reg thing because we have enough cover in each area and I honestly think we'd send a message out by sending everyone back. We're not being protected, once again.

I just think another superleague club may want to loan farrell.I know wigan are blessed in this postion.I just want widnes to win this league.My secondrowers would be farrell and kavanagh and allen at loose for our strongest side.Maybe now we can try and get penney on loan?

WTF absolute joke, I can understand him being recalled to play for Wigan but to go to Cas is just nuts. as said before makes a mockery of the Dual system

So I guess you can't call him a dual signing anymore, surely it makes him a tri signing

Unbelievable

I think this shows the dual reg system to be the badly planned ill thought out brain fart that many people suspected it to be. Clearly there are no safe guards in place to ensure the recipient club don't lose out in this way and the parent club are able to do as they see fit with the player.


Well done the RFL, yet another prime example of your ongoing incompetence to operate the sport properly.