Indeed.. in fact hadn't the Salford Circus Reds sent a grovelling apology letter to Paramatta promising not to attempt to sign Hock?

Pretty sure I read Koukash himself named as sending that letter.

Hock hasn't been everything we had hoped for, hope we don't have to pay for ban periods?!!
Mind you, Brown hasn't really shone either. Makes me wonder if it's the effect of players around them though - if they got better balls could they do more with it maybe?

One thing for sure is that if I was Paramatta I would be hoping to see more from Hock this season!

Paramattas last press press release said if Salford want hock they will have to buy out his contract with us. Now tell me why would they release a statement like that if there was anything in it.

I'm surprised certain Salford posters haven't commented on this yet

Admittedly I have missed this, the only thing I could find relating to this was two lines on the scum website by far from reputable Dave Parker. Nothing on the Eels website and seemingly not a lot else on Google in the past week.

Yep, pretty much what I'm getting at. There's no doubt he's an absolute wow of a player but the fact he lives on the edge means he does thing which will see him out of the side more often than he should

Well Salford have parted with the readies for Whitehead so you would never rule anything out. I'm sure its only small change to Dr Koukash and no doubt he feels he will have to back up some of his claims with actual signings. Buying a team is
not an easy thing to do these days with salary caps, but there are plenty of clubs who would welcome a cash injection by way of a decent transfer fee!

I would have thought though that Hock might fancy at least giving the NRL a go before its too late!

I noticed that in the Wire / Wigan game, a player (Westwood?) pushed the ref out of the way to make a tackle - the incident was commented on as being "in order."

Had it been Hock, he'd probably have been given a 10 match ban.

What gets me with the REDolution is that they won't be able to stay within the cap. Players won't go there unless its for ridiculous money.

Same could be said about the Wolves revolution some years ago and even now.

As my old Granny used to say - "two Wrongs don't make a Right"

What gets me with constant Wire comparisons (for a few clubs and even our own fans). Is they didn't go from top to bottom in one off season. It took YEARS and included numerous factors.

I also guess that's the jist of the post towards Salford. Gradual building with the odd big buy... Sounds familiar

but they were also doing do on the back of half decry gates with bigger potential once they moved.

Yep, it didn't happen overnight for Warrington and their crowds were ok , when they moved into the HJ things really started to pick up. Problem with Salford is their crowds are pretty poor so it will cost Koukash mega money to make them anything like challengers. I know this season is a write off for them but the city should be buzzing and it must be a pretty exciting time for the Salford fans but where are they??

The thing is that The Salford area is mad on Man Utd and football.They have a stadium in a bad location and won't get a lot more fans anyway.May go to a average of 5000 maximum and we all know it is called Salfraud.lol

Maybe the reason Salford are struggling to get the crowds in the 20000+ seater stadium is cos the fans are all in the Casino and Hotel they built on site....

Hock is going to Australia, Salford fans are being led a merry dance by the Dr and Noble.

Just choked on my dinner as I heard they'd got Morley!
Good player, but injuries make him an expensive risk!

We've seen enough of Hock now to form an opinion, so how does everyone rate him as a player?

I might be alone here, but I don't think he brings any benefit to the team. Yes he has moments of shining brilliance, but for every such moment there is a negative moment to counter it. Tonight again, scores a decent try but lost the ball on first tackle in attacking position twice and conceded needless penalties.

I do think at Wigan that his contributions may have outweighed the errors due to players around him, but at Widnes he doesn't have that luxury. I wonder what Paramatta make of his performances.

(Btw, I'm not blaming him for loss tonight, just seems a good point to discuss!)

^ think I agree wholeheartedly Ste

He had a poor game tonight. Isn't capable of lifting our pack. Makes far too many mistakes for a player of his experience.

Problem with Hock is he's playing out wide so he relies a lot on our other pack members providing the go forward, which they don't have.

being a bit unfair but I do see your point. When Hock was at Wigan you would often see him running over players , but that was after the pack had sucked them all in and left him one on one with someone half his side. A bit like what Wakefield did tonight with Big Ali. Also due to his presence in the team he seems to be the go to man , whether the ball is on or not. On two or maybe three occasions tonight Brown gave him a short ball and got him murdered when the btter ball was out the back ? So maybe he hasnt made the sort of impact we wanted but he would be my first name of the sheet every week. Or would you prefer Big Frank ??

Frank Wintersteine has played better than Hock in my opinion.Too many errors and offloads that are not on to be honest.

I thought Hock put in a good shift v Wakey but you can see he is clearly unhappy at this club. His performances have deteriorated week after week even though you can see he is trying.

Not sure he's unhappy at the club but I always feel and I have said this on numerous occasions he's better when he's in field more as he's the one forward that runs onto the ball with any purpose apart from maybe Joseph.