Not me though , I've said all along you've been very serious about competing in the Championship

Rubbish maybe , but always serious

Because, When I put it to you that your club were cheats, at the time you were docked, you denied it. Other Leigh fans tried to tell us all that it was all just some silly administrative mistake.

Therefore, I would suggest that, instead of hounding Widnes fans into trying to admit their club is pulling the wool over the eyes of the RFL with their accounts, you spend your time explaining to your own club's fans that Leigh are indeed cheats.

It also makes a joke of the fact that your missus has the cheek to come on here whining about us [i'rolling over' [/iagainst Fev. Perhaps you could explain to her that, if her club hadn't been docked points for trying to cheat the S/C, she wouldn't have to fecking worry what happened at the Stobart on Sunday?

That's right, Chris.

Starbug wants us all to bow down to his view, based entirely on his speculation. We don't need speculation to point an accusing finger at his club. We have cast iron proof of their misdeeds.

The Leigh salary cap infringement was a clerical error , but still an error , so punishable , similar to incorrect filling in of registration documents or turning up with the wrong colour kit

I never suggested any cheating done by Widnes , my amusement was with the fans for believing how the turnover and profit figures had been achieved

What the miss us does is her own concern , I stopped telling her what to do years ago , what she knows about RLcould be written on the back of a postage stamp

So what else do you want to know about Leigh ?

What legitimate factical reason should we have not to believe are accounts from last year?

Coz Starbag sed so!

Ask an accountant ?

No it isn’t. You don’t get docked points for accidentally fielding an ineligible player or turning up with the wrong kit. You only get that for serious breaches of the rules, such as going into administration or breaking the salary cap. Leigh promised to increase their income, despite knowing this will be an impossible task, due to the costs at the LSV, in order to gain an advantage on other clubs in this league in a desperate attempt to pass the on-field criteria. This is not a simple case of clerical error. It’s cheating, Starbug. You’re lucky that the RFL had to lower the amount they docked clubs, to help the Crusaders, or you may have lost even more points than you did. The RFL would also have been wary of giving your club the kind of massive fine that it deserved, because it probably would have just ended up with yet another club in administration.


You did. You were saying that, due to the club giving false accounts, they were putting Halifax at a disadvantage. That’s basically saying that Widnes are cheating. You’re just playing with semantics here.



Then, perhaps you could do us all a favour and control your woman.


I know all that I need or want to know about Leigh.

You know all this , promising to increase income stuff , from where exactly ?

When did the RFL change the rules regarding point deductions ?

Yes a fine isn't really what we need right now , but there you go

My info about the form filling came from a current director , and former finance director at Leigh , so your info came from ?

I'm sure we used a pretty good one, thanks.

A very , very good one

Remind me which team should have been relegated, which team cheated to be competitive. Hmm. Ring any bells?

We were relegated

Us it would seem

Any more questions ?

No you weren't. We have had this discussion before. You were saved from relegation. No semantic arguments will stop the fact that you didn't go down.

And the next question, naturally, is how can so many fans criticise us and the way we've been promoted when there have been so many clubs who have been a shambles in this league and we're just about the only really professional outfit close to super league.

Have I criticised your promotion , or the way you've been promoted ( ie you are the best club , not team ) ?

Honestly ?

What you seem not to understand about the turnover,income issue is , that I'm not criticising your club , I'm criticising your ( the fans ) understanding of what the club did and why they did it , I really wish Leigh were in a position to do exactly what Mr O Connor did , but if we were and we did it , I would understand it and how and why it was done , I wouldn't pretend it was something it wasn't

It's a disgrace Chris.

If you got points from a match where you fielded an ineligible player, there is a good chance you would be docked those points.

What's the view like from the top of that high horse?

Leigh fan going on about high horse? You have hot to be frigging kidding me

No. Not kidding you at all.

From the statement given out by the RFL at the time. I did actually show you part of it on this board. The part that read: [i"The incident occurred during the 2010 season and was caused by the the club's inability to reach their anticipated levels of =#FF0000income"[/i

So, there you have it.


Dunno. Who were the last club to field an ineligible player? Was it Hull FC? Were they docked points?

Were Casfleford docked points for turning up in the wrong kit?


That’s right, and that’s why the didn’t hammer you. It’s all politics, see?


He’s hardly going to say otherwise, is he? Even to you.



My source is the same one you used to accuse Widnes of cooking the accounts. The main difference is that I’m not pedaling this on other clubs’ forums to stir the against your club, as you did with ours.



See what your missus has caused here. The more you both troll on here, the more I'll ensure I'll drag your clubs' name through the mud. But, unlike you, only on here.






So, how would that work in a cup competition then?

Who were the last club to be docked points for fielding an ineligible player?

Were they docked points?

(Genuine questions)

You are aware that clubs that rent stadiums are allowed to include parts of stadium income that does not directly go through the tennant clubs accounts dont you ?

And...?

Thats the bit we didn't do , we didn't correctly send that information to the RFL , thats why we didn't reach the anticipated levels of income

Still a failing by our club and it's administration , and rightly punished under the letter of the rules

So, Leigh did actually reach the income levels required but, because they forgot to include stadium income, which the club is perfectly entitled to include, the RFL docked them points?

Yeah, alright



They didn't even give Leigh the chance to re-submit the figures with the stadium income included?

WOW! The RFL really hate leigh, don't they?




I suppose that excuse would allow the RFL to get away with only imposing a 3 point deduction and no fine - if all this is true, of course. I guess we’d need to get that accountant, which you’d like to go through Widnes’ books, to also take a look at Leigh’s books too?

In the meantime, we can all just do what you do, and make any accusation we want to, without a shred of evidence either way. We’ll all just go by gut feeling and what we want to think looks obvious.

So you did lie anyway as you didn't include these figures but anticipated levels of income still wrong! Saying oh but we could have included these is irrelevant as you weren't doing so and still submitted false predictions.