'Discipline' is an interesting topic! We, at Leigh, are bottom of the 'Fair Play' League, mainly as a result of penalties conceded. If you get down to LSV on Thursday, buy a programme, (PLEASE!!) and have a look at the feature I've done on penalty stats. I know stats can be misleading, but we have comfortably won our penalty counts at home, (so far) but been hammered on them away - where we have won our only games!!

I wouldn't argue with most of the penalties we have conceded, but I would argue about the ones some of our opponents HAVEN'T conceded. (e.g. both Batley and Doncaster only conceded three each - and they aren't doing too well in the Fair Play League either!)

Also, some refs give penalties against us, for fun, (e.g. Laughton) yet others (e.g Hewer) give very few. That smacks of inconsistency!!

Or conspiracy

Yes we do need a change, cause I am well and truly fed up. I've run out of my old trademark optimism, I just can't be bothered any more. I think of all the time and effort and money I've put into supporting the club and for what?

It's a big let down year on year. I'm just so fed up with it. Give me a ing reason to continue for god's sake. I just cba getting my hopes up any more. I don't like what the sport has become, and I don't like what the club has become.

But maybe that's just me. I'm getting REALLY apathetic about this.

I think your feelings are shared by quite a few Vikings fans to be fair chris, all the pre-season confidence has been well and truly shot down in flames.

Couldn't agree more tbh

Exact same with me mate, i can even be bothered going away games anymore. I dont even get excited about home games either!


Let down and Widnes go hand in hand.

Come on Vikingman - where's your spirit lad? I bet you give Leigh a right tonking on Thursday - it's long overdue. I suspect that the cloud will be lifted by July. Up the Vikings ! Up the Fax ! Come on !!!!!!!!!!

Mate only Widnes could have screwed this season up, before the season started i had high hopes. No Castleford, Hull KR or Salford/Celtic, without showing any disrespect we should have been the dogs b[io[/illocks but now look at us not even in the bloody top three!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It's rather depressive being a Widnes fan at the moment.

Snap - it appears all Widnes fans are in the same boat at the minute. I've been a few away games, but can't be bothered with a lot of them. Going to Leigh on Thursday, but can't say I'm looking forward to it at all. Maybe its just a case of riding it out and seing how we go until the end of the season, but you get the feeling that a lot of fans won't be fans for much longer. As you say, this was Widnes's big opportunity to dominate - 2 of the strongest clubs in the division from last year gone, no SL team coming down and still we haven't beaten anyone in the top 6 yet.

Its a good job the licence system has come really just think what sort of position we would be in if we would have had the same system as previous years:

1 Castleford (would have been relegated from SL)
2 Celtic (wouldn't have gone up)
3 Halifax
4 Barrow
5 Featherstone
6 Whitehaven
7 Leigh
8 Widnes
9 Sheffield
10 Gateshead

We'd have been one place above relegation. Not saying we won't finish above Leigh or Whitehaven, but considering they have both beaten us already this year, we can hardly claim to be better than them.

I've seen some "what if's" in my lifetime but that's a corker


SOC may have spent differently if this scenario had occurred. If it was all on this season then he would have probably invested differently. As it is - he's got three years to get it right.

Hasnt he got one and a half seasons to sort it??. Its very doubtful at this stage that we will make the NRC or grand final this season so that just leaves next season to even be able to apply for a franchise.

Time is running out and fast. It could be 3, 6 or even 12 years before we will see SL rugby again. Make no mistakes Toulouse will be the side awarded a franchise next time around.

We just...don't deserve it. We're one of the oldest ongoing football clubs in the world when you take in the fact that it all started in this country. One of the founding members of the northern union. Out town has given the game some illustrious names and teams. We support the team through thick and thin more than a lot of other clubs would. And what do we fans of widnes get? Let down by the team time after time and dumped on by the powers that be time after time. As I said earlier, what's the point? It's pretty hard to get up for games when you know your players can do a lot better and your club deserves a lot better. It's just not fun is it?

Oh I don't know - Leigh are making a decent fist of doing the same.

How's this for a let down. the only home game I think I can get to (because of the bloody stupid evening kick-offs) was on Good Friday. Me and my tribe get there to watch the worst game of live RL I have wever witnessed. Now that's a let down!

But hey - am working on getting to either the Gateshead or Donny game. It'll only cost me over £200!

No offence but it's that kind of drivel that I'm sick of hearing along with 'Super League - where we belong'. No one belongs there! The team's good enough to compete or it isn't. Back your lads and stop crying. If you don't like it don't go!

Sick of hearing it? You're on the wrong board. I've backed this sodding team for 25 years, so don't tell me how I can and cannot react!

I think you should take a stroll through the Heritage Museum or the players lounge at the stadium to get some sort of idea of why we feel the way we do... We were brought up on success, living without it now is painful.

I`m in a similar situation and I`m wanted to express my feelings more on here and the last 3-5 years its been so frustrating. getting so close and having it snatched away from us.

Its a struggle now to get any sort of motivation and I`ve watched a lot of my money shat away .

I`m in total limbo and it rests on Thursday to see if I carry on giving the club my money to the end of the season.

now wheres the pills

Big Tez ain't gonna be pleased when I tell him that.

I`ll speak to Tez on Friday to tell him what I`m going to do

Exactly my point and now things are a little rough you can either stand up and be counted or cry like a little girl.

isn't the whole point of a forum so that you can let off steam

And to retort and discuss, which is what I am doing. Oh OK I'll say sorry, happy?

Don't be daft - it wasn't a dig!

The greatest success I've seen in my lifetime is promotion to Super League so I don't have the same expectations that the older generation do.

I'm just happy that we have a club at the moment because 18 months ago we didn't.