Nowadays Tommy Lee is someone who won't cost you anything in a game but will add nothing of note either. He is the definition of 'he's orite to have in the squad.' I fully expect his place to be taken up by either Whiting or Washbrook when they get fit, and only to come back into the 17 when injuries hit again.

I think that's a bit harsh Lewis, Lee hasn't done a lot wrong this season so far.

I did kind of hint at that when I said about him not costing you though. It's just he won't add anything either. I can't remember him doing much wrong this season but can't remember him doing anything of note either tbh

Thats why Washy or Whiting should be above him as they offer a damn site more in attack than Lee does and defences marginally better.....Our subs at the moment make no impact as they are all "similar"...1 of those 2 will make a difference.

If the "knockers" are right and Lee isn't up to it, what went wrong? When I watched him as a junior he was stand-out: he had flair, vision, pace and led the team around the park. I definitely thought he was a star of the future. Do you think the way he got knocked by all the supporters when we dropped him in at the deep end as a kid lost him all self-confidence? Or maybe, playing him in all sorts of positions instead opf leaving him at scrum-half made him lose his RL identity? Ideas? Prefereably one-word clever comments with a wink attached.

Sharp

hehe.

But I think you might be right.

I actually think the best thing for Lee would have been for him to have a season in NL1 around 2007, when he was still looking at being a halfback. Outside of the pressure of SL he could have learnt how to try and control a game without such a high percentage of his errors proving costly. His off the cuff style would probably have thrived rather than suffered then IMO.

Again, I think pretty sound thinking.

Thats a very good post. As a youngster he seemed such a natural SH and was one of the best young HB's i'd seen for many years. Where its all gone wrong is open to conjecture, but i'm not sure Hull were ever the type of club to bring that kind of player through. Had he been at a club where they played a more expansive game he may have been more successful as a HB, but alas we'll never know. Hulls recent policy of turning HB's into hookers seems to have claimed another victim.

Aye, just like Houghton he was a SH all his time at East Hull and a bloody quality one at that. Signs pro for Hull, next thing he's a hooker.

But in contrast to Lee, I don't personally think he has the passing game for a scrum half. Maybe a running stand-off, but we already have a pretty good one of those. Houghton actually is suited to hooker IMO, which is why the change was made. With Lee it seemed to have been done just because it was his best chance of getting in the side when Swain was injured.

Washbrook was tried at hooker in his acadamy days as was Anthony Thackary and of course Josh Hodgson. I just don't know what this fixation is with trying to continually turn players into hookers.

Arn't they trying to turn Hodgson into a backrower?



Scrum half > Hooker > Back row.

Houghton will get murdered in the back row!

So i hear and this despite him playing all last season at hooker in the reserves



Mind you Hull are short of back rowers

Maybe because traditionally we've always tended to have good hookers, both in terms of producing them and the youngsters having quality ones to learn from.

We've also moved Washbrook from stand-off to LF, similar with Whiting, and Hodgson is now being pushed towards the back row as well.

I wonder if it would help if we brought in a coach who had been a real top-quality scrum half in his playing days? We've really lacked a senior figure who's been in that role for younger players to learn from, either on the playing or coaching staff.

You must be wrong surely?

Its a good point, though don't Hull currently have a former SH, albeit at a lower level, as head coach??? Though all the coaches underneath him were forwards.

And don't forget, we've got Kingy to fall back on as hooker as well.

I think we should put motu back in at hooker when he returns

We do, and I thought about that when I posted. I don't mean it to come across disrespectfully or to appear as questioning of his overall ability as a coach, but in terms of passing on the tricks of the trade to youngsters surely it helps if they were in your game to begin with? Agar was a lower level player (as someone else as said though, that's not intended to be derogatory. It's still better than most can hope for) and we're producing lower level standard halfbacks. Coincidence?

radford at loose, berro in the halves hall at fullback,



king to take controll of dummy half

Point is Hull don't seem to producing any. I know people will say what about Richard Horne but everyone knows he's not a half back





When people were saying Hull should approach Salford about signing Myler, I remember thinking why do they need another hooker????





Its almost beyond a joke that despite having some of the countries best young halves over the past 5 years none of them appear to have made the grade in the halves.

We are, they just seem to be floundering at SL level and either get shifted position or cut loose to NL clubs.