But, throwing money at the problem will not make a blind bit of difference.

The whole point of the salary cap was to level the playing field. As Hull FC generates enough income to have the maximum spend on players, the addition of extra cash will not make any difference to the playing squad.

The problem lay with the players. As a group, they have not really performed for the last 4 seasons on a consistant basis. Surely so many different coaches cannot be so similar and poor.

There's a suggestion on the BBC 606 website that some were in Sugar Mill on Saturday night

We had this discussion last season IIRC, lazy players!!

Stand back instead of making an unselfish run, don't support the man with the ball, don't chase every kick like it matters.

Our biggest problem lies not with Agar or players abilities its down to attitude. We are too dumb and too lazy.

Been told that too

I think it can be attributed to players abilities in some regard as the mobility and speed in our back-row is terrible and these tend to be the players who do most of the off the ball work.

In most sides their 13 is the main off the ball worker and we have Radford playing there which sums up everything wrong about our percentage rugby priorities.

I said after the Quins match, they made twice as many metres just playing the same one many rugby as their backrow had more mobility and pace about them.

No over reaction im afraid its simply people now saying what they feel!!
last week I echoed all that has been said on this thread and was torn to shreds as an "over reactor"
NOW tell me there isnt an issue and a bad one...
lets look at it clearly
1, we are clearly one of the biggest clubs in the world!
2, we have a HUGE following come bad or good that pay thousands/ millions into the club.
3, we have possibly the best sponsorship in the game.
4, we make profit year after year.
5, we play in one of the most modern arenas in RL.
6, our team is almost all internationals past or present.
7, we have one of if not the best youth culture in RL.

SO WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE CHEAPO ROUTE WHEN IT COMES TO HEAD COACHES??????

surely it makes sense to place someone who knows the game at the highest level in charge , why isnt the coach the highest paid in the club???
penny pinching at coaching level is in my opinion the whole problem here, Agar has been part of one failed regime after another and is unfortunately indoctrinated into that same lethargic style of footbal we have witnessed for too long.

maybe there would be more urgency in the team and coaching staff if relegation was still an issue!!

what do we have to look forward too
MORE EMBARASSMENT AGAINST HKR AND SAINTS!!

so tel me everyone who was knocking me last week!!!!
at what point DO we start to worry !!

IMO there’s a severe lack of passion, pride and commitment throughout the squad. I saw one of the first team players (not involved in yesterdays game) on the concourse before the match, he was dressed in jeans and a hooded top. Call me old fashioned but you’d at least expect first team squad members to wear a club tracksuit at the very least. You’d think they, like the majority of the fans, would be proud to be associated with the club. After yesterdays performance I couldn’t help thinking we need a complete overhaul at the club, someone to come in and shake the entire club up!

same thing we have said for a long time Paul!!
too many old school players in the team still... oine or two that should have gone some time ago!!
BUT again its down to the coach to spot this and coach it out of them or transfer list them!!!
at the end of the day it boils back to Agar every time im afraid....

if Eddie Stobard want a HGV driver they get one with the correct credentials and experience to match their standing in the haulage world!!! they dont hire a guy who owns a transit van !!!
Agar is a transit van man, little succes if any, and having learned ihis trade from other unsucessful head coaches

How many coaches have we sacked in the last few years? At some point the players need to take some responsibility and the board need to back the coach and get rid of some of the unprofessional dead wood. Its the players that are currently playing way below standard and not putting the effort in.

agreed but the whole point is that Agar should never have been the choice in the beginning should he!!!

But you can't lay the blame solely at Agar's door. His tactics might be questionable and his selections bordering on ridiculous, but he's not the one meandering around the pitch like he doesn't really care.

exactly, the players must play some part in the whole shambles, they are the ones who walk around with heads down looking like they couldnt give a to$$.

if his selections border ridiculous and his tactics questionable and HIS team are meandering around aimless ............................................
what more excuses do we need???

he is not a SL coach!!

Listen Warrington were jonny on the spot when it came to bringing in TS to solve the inexperience issue they had , they accepted they had made a mistake with an inexperienced coach and made the cut!!
HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT, THIS IS AN ISSUE FROM LAST SEASON ONWARDS NOT JUST THIS SEASON FFS

No but that was last year. The decision was made and we have to get on with it and if the players aren't happy then tough $hit!! If we dont agree with the boss at work do we stop doing our jobs properly and expect to not get sacked? Agar was given a contract and whether you or I agree with it or not he should be allowed to at least see it out IMO. I'm prepared to lay some of the blame on the tactics etc but they were working when the players actually put some effort in so the players need to look at themselves as well.

the players need to take a long look at themselves and if the "rumours "are true there has been a bust up somewhere then they need to grow up and get on with their jobs.

Your point must have greater validity than mine because you use lots of superfluous punctuation and unnecessary block capitals.

If it's any help i always Boycott the KC

and we are entirely grateful for that.

THEN IT MUST HAVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, we've missed Washbrook enormously and really need him to get fully fit ASAP. Yesterday he looked well off the pace though, and he needs game-time in a team that doesn't rely on him to produce.

Edited for accuracy

I'll back Agar while he's the coach, but they'll all be on the tonight, 4 days before the Derby and he's just said on radio about tonight, "the lads have put in lots of hours practising for tonight", fooking singing must have made them all soft, says it all for me.

No they dont, they get a Polish one in who grafts like hell for little wages

Surely they wont be allowed to go on the pop tonight just days before the biggest game of the season so far !!?!?!