Well said!

We have put in one poor performance in bad conditions against a good Quins side for mine. Now if this performance is repeated over the next 3-4 games then there will be an issue without doubt.

Against Cas I thought we played well in an exciting game and in the end INDIVIDUAL errors cost us the game - we could still be sat joint top!

Every team has an off day - Saints at home to rovers, quins at Giants, Giants at home to us, rovers away at Wire, Wire most weeks

ditto Bradford.

My only concern is the over use of certain players and I think fatigue is setting in to some extent. With Easter round the corner these players will have to be rested far more.

Fine, people wnat to give him a full season then crack on, obviously Moz for 15 minutes is fine, as is only having plan a.

My mistake, everything is fine, nothing to see here.

Calm down Dear.

What you and several people who keep calling for Wayne Bennett fail to realise is that he has to actually want to come here.

What I currently see is the typical forum over-reaction to a couple of poor performaces. I'm more than happy to give Agar at least the time he has on his contract to improve us and if he hasn't then he has failed and we should look elsewhere. Either way I'm sick of the constant calling to sack the coach etc we seem to have everytime we have a bad spell. I'd rather let people see a contract out and use the time to find the right man for the job. I wasn't in favour of appointing Agar in the first place but he is here now and constantly calling for him to be sacked etc doesn't help anyone.

You may have been spouting that sh[ii[/ite but I wasn't.

I was saying b[io[/illocks to the season we've been crippled by injury and already lost one coach. I was saying bad luck lads on being just 10 or so minutes away from winning the Challenge Cup. I was saying we needed some new powerful forwards before we knew Carvell would us over and we have signed 2 international players to cover this but they're not here yet (if at all) for reasons beyond Agar's control. I was saying Agar needs a complete new season to mould the team how he wants it and only then should he be judged.

Let's go back to the start of this season. Most people were predicting 6/7/8th finish. They may well be right. But we won our first 5 games so the 'Change your coach every 5 games' brigade remained in the trenches with their heads down. Two below par performances and over the top they come with the usual mix of unsubstantiated cr@p such as "Not experienced enough", "Sharp's running the show" etc. The team and Agar rightly deserve criticism particularly for the Quins defeat but let them attempt to put it right and support the players and coaches in their attempts to do so.
If performances continue to deteriorate and the season doesn't pan out as well as it should THEN the club should take action to remedy it.

As it stands we're 2 points behind the leading team in a league which many people either cannot or will not understand is the closest competition in the modern era. The current coach has had barely a season in charge having for the majority of games in that time hardly a fit 17 to pick from. It's time some people started taking a slightly longer term view than what happened in the last game.

What a stupid response. I have criticised his bench management and selection like most. As for "only having a plan A" that is a phrase which someone used the other day and some others have decided is gospel truth. Truly laughable.

Fair enough, and valid comment.

Can you, however, comment on playing a forward for 15 minutes and having no discernable alternative game plan?

Didn't know Keith Senior had got his coaching badges - never mind was selling them!



Agreed. As far as I'm concerned whenever I've heard the coach speak in person he's spoken sense. I didn't hear his post match comments so can't pass judgement either way but - five from seven ain't too bad and certainly not worth throwing the baby out with the bath water over. Yes I was disappointed we couldn't overcome what I saw as Quins' spoiling tactics on Saturday but at least they can learn and move on. Marathon not sprint remember.....(feel free to add any further cliches as required.....)

Before Quins I wanted the same team to be retained as for the Cas game, as I wrote on one of the threads on here. This was on the proviso that Moa would play 2 stints of at least 10 mins in each half and preferably 15. I wanted Thacks playing too. Neither happened and I totally disagree with Agar's selection and use of his bench. It's a real issue for him to put right as our props are being hammered. So sort it out Agar. But I'm not calling for his head on that basis.

As for the game plan I have no more idea than you what our plans were. I suspect that as a result of losing to Cas because of a ridiculous number of individual errors there was an emphasis on ball security both in the week's training and in the match tactics. We were not actually that bad in the first half despite showing a lack of intensity in my opinion. In the second half I would have liked to have seen us attempt something different however we had little field position because we failed to match Quins' enthusiasm and intensity in defence and they played in our half. We also played against the wind which allowed Randall to keep us anchored on our 20. I agree with you that better use of the bench may well have given us more energy and field position in the second half. Maybe then we could have put some moves on.

In summary I think Agar has made mistakes as have/do the players. I just think some of the criticism is over the top and I also think calling for a coaches' head every 10 minutes, as some seem to do, is pathetic.

I don't blame him for doing that, he has tried something different, Moa is a unique player in our squad and whilst he has done quite well it now seems obvious that we need to rethink it. If Agar does make the changed then I don't think we can have a go as he will have at least tried something a little different.

I think there are sections of our fans who just can't wait for Hull to lose so they can say 'I told you so' regarding Agar.

as is the defeatest attitude by some like yourself on here that think the performance at the weekend is acceptable!! FFS cant you see that we have buckled already !!!
as many have said on here n the past , I pays my money week after week home and away and I will say my piece on what I think was one decent performance so far this season at bradford, a couple of hard earned wins, and two feck awful shows ......
a team with no rudder ..........

I dont travel the length of the UK weekly to be proved right , I travel to at the very least see a team with some spirit after 6 games in!!!
its not like we have a massive injury list or anything we can blame this year !!
Or as standee hinted upon:: shall we all just agree that nothing is wrong and blinker up again, jesus

I'll tell you what. You find a quote where I said Saturday's defeat was acceptable and I'll read the rest of your post.

At least I can sleep soundly knowing I wont have to endure that.

I am amazed that you didnt see the same match we all saw!!,
you go have your sleep pal

We would all have taken 5 from 7 at the start of the season. Okay we have lost the last two but cut Agar some slack, so far this season we are doing well.

If we lose then next 2/3 then lets start considering our options maybe.

Paul I know what your saying and as you know I have defended Agar as far back as last season but the match on saturday was quite possibly the most ordinary I have seen , we could have took the wingers and centres off the field in the second half and no one would have noticed!!, this ongoing uninspiring display mentality is not what I expect but have to endure each week more often than not .... and thats down to one man !!

I agree with an earlier post i would not be surprised if we loose against Salford and if we do , then its time to open the cheque book for a top coach for once and stop going cheap!! wether its Bennett or not it has to be someone , we have the squad but no quality

Then you are a touch silly Paul.

Nobody want s to see Agar fail, we all want to win and play attractive rugby, it's just some of us get a feeling we can see what is coming, I'll be happy to be wrong about him, I just see no evidence so far that I am.

Yes we'd have taken 5 from 7, but when youve played the 7 and it feels like you should have a 100% record cos you havent played well your mindset can change, and rightly so. Dont think people are waiting for Agar to fail, think they are simply pointing out what he hasnt done well.

Saturday was very ordinary I would agree. Conditions did not help and we never seem to be able to play our best rugby against Quins. I was hugely disappointed but I honestly feel it was a one off for the reason I mentioned above. If we don't impress against Salford and then play well again Rovers I would be a little more worried.

Am I?

I doubted that Agar was the right man for the job but don't keep mentioning it every week. Some people wait for us to lose and then start producing their agenda again regarding Agar and Sharp.

I always thought Quins would beat us even before we lost the Cas game.

The Cas game was the disappointing one for me as we did not turn up and if you don't turn up ready to play in SL then you will get beat. Maybe the 5/5 thing got to us and we went away from the things we were doing well?

Even so 5/7 is an excellent start and if we back it up with a CC win and a Derby win then Agar can quite rightly be pleased with how things are going.

I had my doubts but after watching us v Quins and Cas, they were both there for the taking if we had played at even 50% rather than 25% of what we are capable of. Thats the disappointing thing.

well said, maybe i should have said that

My thoughts as well..........after the Cas game where we struggled to break them down,it was obvious more flair was nneded but he didnt address the problem and totaly got the selection wrong v quins.

you are silly as previously written!!
on current mindset we are shoe in for a deserved pounding!!
NEVER once I have I ever wanted a coach, player or board to fail as I am through and through black and white since a young child BUT I cant keep defending the defenceless acts of a clearly inexperienced coach !! we are getting the players as it seems big guns want to play for us but what do we have here, a crocker or bust sit rep??? if he does not come were happy to finish mid table ???
Not this fan!