It's called not becoming embroiled in the delusional world of Barista.

I would expect nothing less of you though than to fully cheer her on and champion her at every opportunity, like some self styled guru you all follow blindly.
The self gratification of you guys is a sight to behold.
What started as a debate on St Helens soon descends into a pack like mentality and an overwhelming desire to belittle, call and bully posters who don't subscribe to your never ending positivity.

Only a numpty would praise this post , “look above” your so sad , you’ve asked twice how many times saints have been beating at home this season , already knowing the answer , you are just pathetic. Anyway back on topic
Oh dear, this team certainly knows how to get your hopes up then dash them, why can’t we get beat and at least make a game of it, drives me nuts, especially against a saints team with no walmsley, Thompson,Percival.saints are by far the best team , but they don’t put 60 points on every team. No super league should be shipping that many , and we do it to often

bully now that did make me laugh, mrs b was rightly pointing out the facts, grow up

You really did not read or understand my post and Barista's facts are only subjective based on performances, results and replies to posters.
You need intellect for debate so unfortunately with you I'll have to leave it there.
You best get back under your rock

It's all about balance, isn't it? We're in joint 3rd position despite some challenging injuries. Personally I would have taken that given absences we've had, and that our first choice props Bowden and Green have made 1 bench appearance from a possible 24. Credit where it's due.

That's blatantly against the AUP. Please stop and be nice. Joint 3rd etc, we should be pleased I think.

I'm pleased we're 5th with the personnel we've had available especially in the front row.
What irks me as in today is the blow out scores we have posted against us.
It's either peaks or troughs.

Losing I can take but consistency in our performances is what I'd like to see.
A result like today and this board descends into all out civil war, name calling and insults.

Surely the contrasts are what makes life so magical? I'm a bit surprised you are complaining about name-calling. You have called me delusional, for example, and your honourable friend Tinkerman23 called me "pathetic", so maybe try not to chuck petrol onto a bonfire and then complain about singed hair.

I thought Lee's appraisal of our weaknesses post match was spot on BTW. Squad depth is great when you win at London and Salford with double digit availability issues. But our quality in the middle against the top 2 has been brutally exposed. I fully expect this to be rectified for 2020.

Looking at the League table we still can’t beat teams above us !!
In fact we gave Rovers a hammering because they were poop- real poop
What does that make us at the top level ??

We will finish 5th - ok for some

I call it an old school C

If you like mediocrity then go for your life

It is more than obvious that it’s ok to lose by a massive amount under LR and AL

They’re not in the least bit bothered as it seems LR et al carry on picking and paying them

Poor performances are rewarded with job retention and that’s been the case for a long time

LR and AL are responsible and also AP in that regardless of many many sh*t house performances everyone still has a job the next day

IF AP wants to be a power house then he needs to be ruthless after a certain period of time and move people on who can’t deliver

As I say if Rovers conceded 56 and we laughed at how garbage they were then what do
Saints fans think about us ??

wow come off one thread to another and you still think your joint 3rd

can you tell me why you think being 65 pts behind gives you joint 3rd

Mainly because it winds up the easily enraged I think.

LR is astoundingly worried how far ahead Saints and Wire are

I’m incredibly concerned at that

14 points each innit?

I see the angry brigade are out in force. Can somebody show me where people have expressed pleasure at shipping so many points. We are all disappointed but we are realists and know that these things happen. I'm more interested in our league position and I'm sure most people would have accepted the current situation. None of us can change things as the decisions are made by others so why not relax and just enjoy. Remember its just a game!!

AP sacks LR and LR by mutual agreement.
Which SL or NRL club snaps up them both ? .................................. The answer in your head describes why we are where we are now !

Rovers maybe ? London possibly ? Fev ?

Have just watched the highlights on the sky website. The defence was atrocious, weak tackling was an understatement, Saints must have thought our left edge defence was made up of 3yr olds the lack of effort it made to keep them out.

Let’s not forget we went there fully pumped up and thinking we had a chance
Did LR need to dig deep and fire them up ?
The 2nd half was a breeze v Rovers and hardly affected us physically and of course Saints has to battle Wigan

This is a 11 try drubbing of a team that took the field full of confidence and at least as fresh as Saints

Let’s hope we avoid Saints in the CC iF we beat CAS

It's all planned tactics by Radders.

He's just lulling St's and Wire into a false sense of security and then come crunch time, they won't know what's hit them.

Think we are capable of beating them both in a one off big game with our bestish team out.
Done it before innit.

True story.

I don't think we are with our current squad

Our pack isn't good enough, only Taylor would get into their side and even he would be their 3rd best prop.

5 of our current pack was our starting pack that won back to back challenge cups, plus 3 more of our current pack were our interchanges for back to back challenge cups.

Only Watts has gone from that 2017 pack and we've added Paea, Westerman and Savelio, plus the rise of Masi.

Sain't have got there gander up. Playing fantastic rugby. confidence sky high. Am still gutted at the result yesteady but we have won 3/4 so overall not bad. Am hoping for a win against wakey to get us back on track. Let's be honest following hull has never been easy

The defeats haven’t been unexpected, but the margins (and number) of them has been.
I’m sure APs not happy with that aspect either.
There is a boom or bust mentality amongst some supporters. Hence why you only see some on here after a defeat.
I’m taking this season for what it is, which is a transitional one. I’m not totally happy with that but we are where we are.
Just enjoy the good moments when they present themselves.

And therein lies the problem. Age and time.
Most people think Mini and Manu are now past it, Ellis has had to come out of retirement. Houghton by his own high standards has not been his usual self for best part of a season (recent Rovers game aside, when he was excellent).
So I think the poster who said only Taylor would get in the Saints pack and then be 3rd choice is correct. Paea is not the player he once was, Westerman has been good but out injured and Savellio potentially a very good signing but fitness and injury issues again.
Masi has been improving but still very much a work in progress.