Jesus wept...this board gets fecking worse....and we are in a healthy 4th position in the league

No, just Hall as usual. Even when he scored the winner.

Oh - and developing a new standard by which to judge the worth of our players. Apparently.

I don't see anyone making comments that are untrue.


Which other way do you suggest?

It disappoints me when you resort to stuff like this. You're better than that. I've not been 'slagging' Hall, merely stating my belief that he's not cut out for this level of rugby. If that's 'slagging' someone in your eyes, you must be very sensitive. In my eyes, it's quite a reasonable opinion, expressed in a measured way.







It's hardly a 'new standard', is it? I'm sure such comparisons have been made in the past. If a player becomes available and none of the top clubs want to sign him, it's a useful indicator that he's not cut out for playing for a top club. It's perfectly reasonable to question whether (for example) Leeds would consider replacing a retiring Keith Senior with Craig Hall. Or whether if Chris Bridge left Wire they would bring Hall in as his replacement.

I can't be bothered to read the whole thread, it's often a bit dull on here these days, same thing every week.

On Hall he did really well to support the man who made the break considering he had not been on that long so good on him. However he has still been poor this season in the main and still switches off mentally too often. I have mxied feelings on him coming and going but he has not delivered like he should have done by now. Still at the right prices worth sticking with I reckon.

People often mention the Cullen/Widnes thing but imo that was fairly simply to workout, he was playing championship rugby so of course he performed better and felt more confident, had little to do with Cullen imo. Maybe Hall had found his level?

Right now we have two good centres in Turner/Yeaman and good backups in Whiting and Hall.

True

What even your mam

Too right - understatement if anything.



Agreed.

I've been coming on here on and off for years. In all that time, I don't ever recall a time when people haven't been moaning about how boring it is on here 'these days'. And yet the same people continue to post.

The vast majority of this thread is opinion. Opinion is not necessarily either true or untrue.

The comment wasn't particularly aimed at any one individual, and was an off-the-cuff response to Paul M in any case. I would suggest that the over sensitivity might possibly lie elsewhere.

So you accept that I haven't been 'slagging' Hall then? If so, who has been? If not, what have I said that constitutes 'slagging' in your eyes? I think it's important not to make comments without being willing to back them up. And so do you, normally.



Is that aimed at any one individual, or not? Just so we're clear.

If it was aimed at me, you couldn't be more wrong. I just don't like it when the terms of the debate sink to the lazy 'off the cuff' generalisations which don't seem to have any basis.

Are you feeling OK? It's not like you to get hung up on the casual use of language like this.

Are we using the fact the Hall backed up a quite sublime break and offload by Tansey for a walk-in try as some sort of proof that actually he is brilliant?

As has been pointed out Hall has had plenty of time and opportunity to cement a place or at least show some improvement in the weak areas of his game, unfortunately he's done neither (IMO of course before someone offers me out for a fight or something). Some of the things Hall does are brilliant and in a strange way he would be more suited to a better team than can perhaps afford the luxury of carrying a player who will ocassionaly put his own team under pressure with mistakes etc.

Is it the fault of the player or the club that he hasn't improved enough in the areas of his game that are weak? Difficult to say whose fault it is but it a real shame that someone with his obvious talent hasn't become the player we ALL wish he could be.

For the right price he is worth another deal but it might actually be to his own benefit if he moved on.

No. Although it does show that he's one of the best we have at backing up. Although that's not saying much TBH.


Good summary.

IMO of course.

I guess I just get fed up with those who rate Hall describing anyone who does not rate him as 'slagging' him or 'using him as a scapegoat' or any of the other 'casual uses of language' that they come out with. I don't think Hall is responsible for everything that is wrong with Hull FC, I don't think he's a bad player. I just don't think he's cut out for the top of the Super League. It muddies the waters somewhat when posters make sweeping generalisation about people 'slagging Hall off again' or whatever, because most of us who don't rate him don't slag him off either.

And it's not like you to make throwaway comments about no one in particular. If you say something, it's usually considered. Your posts on this subject, however, make you seem a little like an educated, literate version of bigcjlchris (or whatever his name is). Without the threats of violence, of course.

I would have a few quid on Hall being our top try scorer per minutes on the pitch ratio of the last 20 years so he must be doing something right,
depends what the club are looking for in a centre, the try scorer or the defensive centre like Sid was as an example, its very rare that you find a centre who has it all without looking to Quota spots and i think we should count ourselves lucky we have a young player with his ability to cross the line.

I didn't even use the word. I guess I could be accused of being lazy in not pointing out to Paul M that [ino[/i player was being 'slagged' but it really didn't occur to me that it would be an issue.

And for the record, I get equally fed up with anyone who disagrees with some of the criticism of Hall being characterised as a 'fan' and somehow rating him as international standard.


See my explanation above. I really do think you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick here. This is the very definition of an argument over nothing.

He asked if Yeaman was being 'slagged', you said, "No, Hall." That implies that you thought Hall was being slagged, does it not?







And you have every right to. All power to your elbow and that.



I don't consider it an argument. Neither of us has threatened to beat the other up. Yet.

whoever he signs for will be getting a young fella with a proven ability offensively and potential to become a great player but for what ever reason it has not been often enough at FC.
He isnt international class by a long long way but in a new environment who knows!!

So he's going then?

Ignore Wilfy

No one knows yet, the term "who ever he signs for" could include us but i feel he will go and at the end of the day some have to go to make way !!

IMO ( as that's what these sites are supposed to be ) I have my doubts over keeping hall. Can't doubt his ability in attack, yet his defence is woeful. But for me to single hall out for this would be pathetic really. Yeah so his defending is crap but just as an example Tansey has a habit of going into tackles standing upright, which gives the upper hand to the attacker as he has momentum going into the challenge. I have nothing against Tansey as I think he is an outstanding player but is a fault in his game. We have conceded a few tries this year through this IMO. So I aint gonna get on halls back and I personally hope he stays, but if he leaves maybe its in his best interest.

I take my hat off to you, sir. I consider myself to be pretty handy in the pedantry and semantic nit-pickery arena but I must acknowledge a superior practitioner of the arts in your good self.