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| Quote ="Digby"Improved deals for Yeamam, Whiting and Manu will swallow up some of that, I assume.'" Can only see Manu getting an improved deal out of those 3.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"We wouldnt have been over the cap. The RFL would have stopped that with a live cap. If you have a player on your books who you owe 100k to over the next 12 months you need to keep 100k spare to be able to pay that. If we had 90k spare putting us 10k over the RFL would have stopped us putting that contract in place in the first place. I'd have though nearer to the 150k+ will have been freed up for next year.'" When does the policing of the cap start/finish in a season though? Surely it must be relaxed during the off season to allow for player movement.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Berro
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Willie IS very cute in the flesh. What about a fully follicled Fitz?
But Amos is the yardstick for SL players to measure against. IMO, of course
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"When does the policing of the cap start/finish in a season though? Surely it must be relaxed during the off season to allow for player movement.'"
Contracts all run from November I think to counter this
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"When does the policing of the cap start/finish in a season though? Surely it must be relaxed during the off season to allow for player movement.'"
There isn't a relaxation period, if a club signs a player for the off season, they must be able to fit in the cap with the other players contracted for the next year.
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| Quote ="gazcoops"There isn't a relaxation period, if a club signs a player for the off season, they must be able to fit in the cap with the other players contracted for the next year.'" So if Raynor and King were on a combined 150k and say it cost 50k to pay them off, the full 150k would be on the cap?
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"So if Raynor and King were on a combined 150k and say it cost 50k to pay them off, the full 150k would be on the cap?'"
Nope, as soon as you release them and arrange to pay them off 50k, the 100k would become freed up but not until the RFL have proof an agreement of release had been made. Thats why the cap ot live, so it can change at any given time. Under the old cap a club could go spend the money before an agreement had been made, if the payoff was larger than first offered, then the club could go over the cap without been able to do anything about it.
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| Quote ="gazcoops"Nope, as soon as you release them and arrange to pay them off 50k, the 100k would become freed up but not until the RFL have proof an agreement of release had been made. Thats why the cap ot live, so it can change at any given time. Under the old cap a club could go spend the money before an agreement had been made, if the payoff was larger than first offered, then the club could go over the cap without been able to do anything about it.'"
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Spot on.'" Raynor was released after we'd finished our recruitment, which surely means we was spending in excess of the cap until his release as Rule has stated we're at full cap. Unless we paid him up in full! If not then i fail to see why we don't have any cap space left.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Raynor was released after we'd finished our recruitment, which surely means we was spending in excess of the cap until his release as Rule has stated we're at full cap. Unless we paid him up in full! If not then i fail to see why we don't have any cap space left.'"
Raynor's salary will have counted on the 2010 cap. The difference between his pay off and his annual contracted salary should still be available but to be honest it's going to be nothing in real terms. Maybe £25k to £50k.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Raynor was released after we'd finished our recruitment, which surely means we was spending in excess of the cap until his release as Rule has stated we're at full cap. Unless we paid him up in full! If not then i fail to see why we don't have any cap space left.'"
Yes he was but the money we paid him to terminate his contract counts on the cap and ultimately replaces the salary we'd have paid him on the cap. (to be in excess of the cap you're double counting both his salary and his release fee and he wouldnt get paid both, it's one or the other)
If we didnt pay him up in full yes there would be a small amount of cap space spare but it's tiny. Probably gone towards McShane.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Raynor's salary will have counted on the 2010 cap. The difference between his pay off and his annual contracted salary should still be available but to be honest it's going to be nothing in real terms. Maybe £25k to £50k.'" That's enough for a young half back as cover!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Yes he was but the money we paid him to terminate his contract counts on the cap and ultimately replaces the salary we'd have paid him on the cap. (to be in excess of the cap you're double counting both his salary and his release fee and he wouldnt get paid both, it's one or the other)
=#0000FFIf we didnt pay him up in full yes there would be a small amount of cap space spare but it's tiny. Probably gone towards McShane.'" I beg to differ! 90k was his reported salary if we paid him 50% that would still leave 45k! Enough for half back cover!
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"I beg to differ! 90k was his reported salary if we paid him 50% that would still leave 45k! Enough for half back cover!'"
All speculation.
90k was in the HDM, im not sure i believe that to be accurate. Also not sure where 50% has come from. Usually it's nearer to 90% to release someone otherwise whats the incentive for the individual to accept the termination. If Raynor was offered 50% he would probably have said no and stayed with us.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"All speculation.
90k was in the HDM, im not sure i believe that to be accurate. Also not sure where 50% has come from. Usually it's nearer to 90% to release someone otherwise whats the incentive for the individual to accept the termination. If Raynor was offered 50% he would probably have said no and stayed with us.'" But then why not just keep him for the first 50% of his contract until he got sent down then terminate it for misconduct. I seriously doubt he would of got anywhere near 90% given the circumstances.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"But then why not just keep him for the first 50% of his contract until he got sent down then terminate it for misconduct. '"
We could have done just that. The club however decided that he wasnt the right kind of character to have around the club and also that they didnt want to be his employer when he was sent down in case of any negative press that came with it. It's a pretty good stance to make imo.
In the circumstance he may not have got 90% but it would have to have been financially attractive to Raynor otherwise he wouldnt have taken the MUTUAL termination.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"But then why not just keep him for the first 50% of his contract until he got sent down then terminate it for misconduct. I seriously doubt he would of got anywhere near 90% given the circumstances.'"
I agree, and he was being paid by Crusaders. I think 50% is nearer the accurate mark. But as Jake said, it's not a lot and we will have spent some on McShane, unless leeds paid his wages.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"That's enough for a young half back as cover!'"
If you've found one give rule or agar a call. I'm sure they'll be interested
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"But then why not just keep him for the first 50% of his contract until he got sent down then terminate it for misconduct. I seriously doubt he would of got anywhere near 90% given the circumstances.'"
He was being disruptive and acting like a c0ck. They wanted rid and were happy to pay the price
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"If you've found one give rule or agar a call. I'm sure they'll be interested'"
It's been done, sadly Kath found out, told Gary and Leeds signed him before we spoke to him
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Berro
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I will give you Willie Mmmmmmmmmmmm!
Would need stella specs for Yeamo & Berro though
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"It's been done, sadly Kath found out, told Gary and Leeds signed him before we spoke to him'"
Who was it?
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| Can't there be a separate thread for those dizzy bints who wish to discuss which players have the cutest bottoms? Their interference is spoiling my enjoyment of all the unfounded speculation.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"Can't there be a separate thread for those dizzy bints who wish to discuss which players have the cutest bottoms? Their interference is spoiling my enjoyment of all the unfounded speculation.'"
Must remember that one 'dizzy bints'...I like it
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Must remember that one 'dizzy bints'...I like it
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I was gonna go for 'vacuous tarts', but I thought that would be a bit mean!
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