GH version of the walk out ( sorry if it's already been posted) audioboo.fm/WestYorkshireSport

GH version of the walk out ( sorry if it's already been posted) audioboo.fm/WestYorkshireSport

Quote ="Legends and Icons"GH version of the walk out ( sorry if it's already been posted) audioboo.fm/WestYorkshireSport'" I have listened to it and he again decided that when mentioned the 6 he would omit that the group could easily be 7 (Saints) or even 8 (Bradford) and could be as high as 9 (Cas) seeing as none of them were in a position to vote never mind walkout. He also decided to omit that the vote wasn't on the agenda and was just added when it became clear there was a chance of coup.

Quote ="Legends and Icons"GH version of the walk out ( sorry if it's already been posted) audioboo.fm/WestYorkshireSport'" I have listened to it and he again decided that when mentioned the 6 he would omit that the group could easily be 7 (Saints) or even 8 (Bradford) and could be as high as 9 (Cas) seeing as none of them were in a position to vote never mind walkout. He also decided to omit that the vote wasn't on the agenda and was just added when it became clear there was a chance of coup.

While I agree that GH, KH and JR (who is married to their daughter

) may have an agenda here, its a moon landing/9/11 style conspiracy to suggest that KH was parachuted into Wakey to help the Hetherington cause and force this through.

My reading of the situation is that it had been agreed to discuss (and vote on) the restructure after the WC and this was to be a run-of-the-mill SL meeting. The powers that be have, however, added the discussion/vote at the last second and suspecting a railroading, some have walked, to make a quorate, binding vote impossible.

Not chucking toys out, just trying to stick with what had previously been agreed. GH seems to be throwing toys though. I wonder why?

GH's version, of course, but...

he says that the 'rebel' clubs firstly want a seat on the RFL board. Not unreasonable, IMO.

They also want control of management of SL. Along with the first, that is pushing it - if we want the sport to remain integrated, which IMO would be better.

And finally, and I suspect crucially, money. He says the rebels want more (I assume than in the proposals rather than compared to now where the SL clubs get virtually all of it anyway). SL Clubs are struggling to get by on current incomes, so it is understandable. Leeds, who can be a dominant force and turn a profit, have an interest in their rivals struggling (to a point), if we're being cynical. But GH can play (and tbf, he may well be sincere) the solidarity card, which perhaps still holds more power, as a propaganda tool if nowt else, in RL than in other sports, for all the complaints about tails wagging dogs.

What is stopping the RFL/GH axis saying 'ok then we will add a review of the RFL to the vote and if it's passed we will take the idea of a review to the EGM and see if the wider pro game agree that it is needed'.
Exactly what are they afraid of? My feeling is that they know that the wider game has no time for the RFL at all and most of it think they are unfit for purpose and so they (The RFL) will be out on their collective ears.

The key point is that the rebel clubs themselves won't be sitting on the board but representive of the SL as a whole will be (Including Leeds).

The RFL have proved they are unable to run SL correctly.

You hit the nail on the head IMHO in that if other clubs become self sufficient whilst being able to run in the same way Leeds do then GH's power is taken away from him.

Not true

I know, but that was the great story once upon a time

I think that is true on a couple of levels.

First and most obvious is competence. Change the people, possibly change the result.

The structural, and harder to fix, issue, is the balance of power between the clubs and the governing body. It's too finely balanced in some ways. The RFL can't quite make its mind up whether to lead, mould and 'help' or simply administer. Focussing on basic oversight would be wiser IMO and with proposals to cut their own discretion and increase transparency, they see that, I think. They over reached and want to retreat - but a retreat needs a plan and leadership of a sort or it becomes a rout.
By virtue of the money they tip-in to keep SL a full-time pro sport, the club owners are unarguably more powerful - but they're often at odds with each other so much of it is cancelled out. They're fed up of being told what to do when it is their money, but will always struggle to agree on a path among themselves.

No single constituency or group carries enough weight to deliver a coherent vision, it appears. We'll no doubt stumble to some dog-eared compromise that doesn't really please anyone - but at least it'll probably only be temporary, soon falling apart and giving us another once-in-a-generation opportunity.

For me, it isn't about right and wrong or good vs evil. It's Game of Thrones rather than Star Wars, to use a geek analogy.

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Please be careful MR. Anakin will be after your blood!!

The VT is interesting.
I find it amazing that some cannot see that the actions of the RFL prove the point of the '6' in that how can the RFL be trusted if they can't even be trusted to stick to their own statement (That being to leave it till after the WC) if the opportunity arises to rush a flawed vote through.

I honestly believed we needed a change when THEY agreed the sponsor ship deal with no money in return and also appointing Steve mc as head coach of the national team . What other sporting body would give a nations coaching job to a guy who wasn't even a decent club coach ??

Brian Barwick, when he was FA chief, made some "interesting" appointments.

If I was the RFL I would be knocking on BT Sports door to see what they would offer, if they can nick half the football I am pretty sure they can get our sport.

Dont forget rugby league was for a few season the 2nd most watch sport on sky.

She may not have been parachuted in for that specific purpose, but I very much doubt that her sudden and as yet unexplained appointment is pure chance. And I loathe conspiracy theories.

Pearson mentioned the descendence into Wakey of Kath three times. The peculiarity of it was a point he was determined we'd get. While not for the purpose of forcing Wednesday's vote, her presence at Wakey is undoubtedly a strength both for the Hetheringtons' cause and a sympathetic ear for the RFL.

Pearson was at pains to say the RFL had injected funds into Wakey, then - as if by magic, like the shopkeeper - the Hetherington appeared.

Sounds a bit like when Gateshead started up.

I have posted this on the VT but I think I will give it an airing here as well.

I have been thinking about this and there can only be 2 things going on here.

1 Adam Pearson is lying which in itself is a concern as we cannot have one SL club cast false accusation towards another. If this is true the RFL and Gary Hetherington really have no choice but to make at least a statement saying such as mud sticks. So far no statement at all and the longer that goes on the more likely that what is actually going on is.
2 The RFL and Gary Hetherington tried to stitch up a vote at a SL meeting which is quite frankly alarming and should have EVERY logical RL fan's alarm bells ringing loud and clear.
If it is true I cannot understand how the RFL could be so stupid as it pretty much means they have just signed their own death warrant, I mean seriously did they think it would never get out what they did?
Hell even if it had been passed how would it have stood up to any scrutiny at all?

Sorry, I'm losing the plot here, what did Adam Pearson say that was, or was not, a lie?

What did he say that WAS a lie (and remember, the AUP is watching, and nobody on here likes you)

I never actually accused him of lying.
My point is that either he is or the game has MASSIVE issues to sort out.

It really has to be one or the other here.

I think the game has MASSIVE issues to sort out, and it's great that Pearson and Hudgell are of a similar opinion, Hetherington has had it his own way for far too long.

Barwicks statement on the 23rd really doesn't stand up for me, I know I am knocking on a bit but to say 8 teams were in favour when we have a 14 team league 6 walk out 2 didnt attend and 1 couldn't vote, no matter what i cann't get 14-6-2-1 to equal 8

Particularly when you read [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/29061/rl-council-meeting-postponedthis statement[/url from the RFL website....

Completely agree and I'll hazard a guess what the massive issues are.

Its not so much the structure that is the problem but rather if more money goes to the Championship Clubs where does that come from, if its not to be to the detriment of the Super League Clubs, its about even more importantly how the RL govern the game, why we haven't got a Sponsor for Super League or the World Cup, how our administration is happy to settle for pictures on the side of a lorry instead of tackling the 'moral' issues of an offer of nearly £1m from a betting company, how much money the Sky deal actually generates and how much is passed onto the Clubs (and how much of that is retained by Redhall) which Chairman if any have any sort of vested interest in the proposed changes, how a subject that it has been agreed in writing by the RL to be discussed after the World Cup is suddenly on the agenda as an urgent item at a run of the mill Super league meeting.

Its about getting the entrepeneurs who own the Clubs involved in marketing the game on a national stage, getting better tv deals, being transparent when handouts are given by the governing body to Clubs who are struggling and how we can plicate a players union and act in a caring way towards players who are now k*ackered after 30 games who will under the new structure be expoected to play a lot more etc. etc. etc.

For me there are too many questions that want answering before we go blindly into a re-structuring which is fine as far as the 8 x 8 x 8 stuff is concerned if if you like that complicated sort of thing but you can't vote on it until the finance is agreed and sorted and the governance of the game clear and transparent. All we'll end up with is moving the deckchairs on the deck while the ship continues to go down. The World Cup is a big opportunity to talk up the game and get new converts this is a watershed moment and looks pretty massive to me!!!

Of course I'll get shot down now but I love this game, its fans and the folks who play it and at present it is grossly undersold and badly administered and sinking as a commercial entity very fast indeed.