i agree, that is one of his strengths. but he doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball in the middle of the field. since Agar would prefer to use an extra prop instead of a LF Washy will only ever be a half-back with us and for that he isn't clever enough with the ball. LF would suit him better as he'd be able to move around a bit more but compared to other Super League LF's he'd only ever be average. if Agar was to start using a LF he'd be better off looking somewhere else.

Two immediately spring to mind. One away v Celtic to put Calderwood in and one at home in the south west corner and i think he put Calders in again, may have been Whiting cant really remember the recipient.

Odd that according to the stats he only has one try assist this season?

Think they were both last year that im referring to. Thats why is said in the last 18 months.

You know he only had 2 assists last season as well though right?

when's Washy OOC? if it's this year then i think Agar would be better off looking for a replacement. if it's next year then he might benefit from having Long's and Webster's experience and may improve as a player. i think in the end it depends how Agar recruits for next year.

It's also how you define an assist. Washy might make a 50 metre break downfield and from the next couple of ptb's we score a try. He would get no try assist for that but without his break the try would not have been scored.

Washy is a good young player with lots of potential, in the last couple of seasons he has not progressed as much as I would have hoped but injuries and playing out of position will be the major factor. We are too quick to write off our young players at times imo.

He is also a good leader with the younger players at the club and is a player we should be keeping hold of. He is under contract until the end of next season anyway.

We were specifically talking about his apparent ability to throw a miss out pass to put his winger away though. I certainly wasn't criticising him as a player I was simply saying I dont believe he has the passing ability that BDT was suggesting.

That'll be the 2 that im talking about then. You did ask me to jog your memory, there you go!!

Hope i've now proven my point?

Nope



2 miss-out passes in 2 years is not evidence

I still cant recall either of them TBH.

It's more than Fitz has done at 13!!



Washy averaged 5 assists per season each year before that. As has been highlighted that doesnt really mean a lot without context. The one real positive when he was fit was his tackle busts and clean breaks. He gave us a really good option from 13.

you can't really compare Fitz and Washy as their roles are different. as Agar has been fielding a squad effectively without a LF, Fitz is being used as an extra prop and his strength and leadership have really helped drive us forward. Fitz is a class act and we're a poorer team withoug him. Washy on the other hand struggled to get game time at the beginning of the season as Long and Horne are a much better pairing. it was only when we started to pick up injuries (especially Long) that he got picked.

Did you not see the wink?

no i didn't as a matter of fact. well pointed out.

Well said Paul, Danny is going no where and is a very very good prospect indeed with the limited game time he has had recently but he is a student of the game for sure and will be an ample replacement for Gibsy when he leaves,
Does make me giggle though Paul as we have said when posters keep stating this "offload and replace" policy a lot have on here , I mean as much as you can see internationals in a massive queue around the KC wanting to sign every week cant they?? why would anyone want to offload a young talented individual with lots of solid years ahead of him unless there is better to come in!! and there isnt much better than Danny given the cap restraints in place.

I find it a bit odd that people say Washbrook has 'potential' given that he is 24 and made his debut 5 years ago.

But limited game time given that time at the club and all players develop at different speeds..
He is a good lad

I have mixed feelings, I would like to give him a consistent run out to prove his potential tbh..

But what is the point in keeping such a player if he is not going to be used correctly and allowed to progress? He dosnt fit Agars criteria for a "13" and playing at 6 he has been nothing but avarage for two seasons at an age were he should be developing, it would be more benificial to sign a player who could cover 6 better, Washy had the potential to be more then a solid player and his lack of progress can be put down to Agar in my opinion. Fitz, Radford or Burnett would be prefered by Agar over Washbrook in the 13 role, so would be better for both parties to move on.

I thought Washy was responsible for giving Manu most of his decent ball last night. He gave Yeamo a cracking delayed ball too where he nearly went through the gap.

Exactly right.

I guess the potential part for Washy is based on the fact that from the age of 22-24 he's mostly been injured. From the age of 20-22 he looked a class act.

The potential statement is based on him staying injury free and proving his 20-22 form again.

Players develop at different rates. I don't remember Washy looking a class act - at 20 he had potential for sure. Injuries have not been kind I agree. At the end of the day the best young players become internationals early in their careers and become first choice players for their clubs because their talent and ability levels warrant it. They are good enough to hold down a place and make it their own - ensuring that overseas recruitment is targeted elsewhere in the team and not in their position. If they are really good enough they will make a position their own. Washy, for whatever reason, hasn't managed this - he is not the only one Hall is another who has had a fair chance to shine but not quite grasped it. Whiting is probably not good enough in a single position but is generally reliable and has immense utility value. Fitzgibbon showed why he is such a quality player last night when the chips were down he took the game to Saints time and again. OK Washy is younger but I don't think he could have played that role. That is the quality level of player the top teams need. Sinfield is a good example. Similar in build and position to Washy he has been and still is a quality international. Leeds haven't needed to recruit in his position for years because he made the grade. Some of our not so young youngsters have still to do that IMO.

i'm sure washbrook would be alot better player with regular game time. maybe some people forget he can do a job in the second row for us too

i reckon when fitz leaves us then washy will get his shirt and play LF. we might not use him as a pivot but his time spent at stand-off would benefit his game IMO