Quote ="carl_spackler"Who made both tries with the first cut-out passes we've seen all season.

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Danny Washbrook did ( he's my favourite player ). Calderwood almost shat himself with utter surprise when he got a pass off one of his own team !!!

In Washbrook doing so well on our right side attack i'd keep him there. we need someone on the left side now.

He did, but where did he vanish to too, other than the 2 tries?

Washys passing i the first half was very good, but he slipped back into the running mould second half.

Dont know why people are suprised he always had a decent passing game when he was in the Academy and his kicking wasnt bad either.

For me this week i would play him there again and allow him some freedom, if Horne is not back then Lee to partner him and just say to them, get out and play kike we know you can (and fook the usual game plan off)

Bingo.

Grade A, stadium, fan base counts for nothing if the team isnt cutting it on the park. Its nice to earn good money but its better to be earning it playing for a winning team with a coach who is respected.

Would keep him in the halves even if Horne was fit! Thorman out! doesn't matter if washy hasn't got a kicking game, neither has thorman on his performances so far. Just let berro or Tommy Lee kick from dummy half!

I agree he drifted out of the game (particularly in the 2nd half), I was just making the point that he is more than capable as a ball player, which was the criticism levelled at him.

And i agree he is more than capable as a ball player. FWIW he isnt the only one that drifts out of the game and we have looked a better attacking prospect this season when Washy is on the field.

I've only read a few posts on this thread and cant believe what people are saying about G. Horne. Yep, he aint world class, I'm sure he knows that. Clubs cant have 13 or 17 world class players in their ranks because of the cost. But he is a good solid player and his performances have suggested that. Also perhaps one reason is why he never developed as he or the club would of liked is because of poor coaching. It has been mentioned about Craig Hall and poor coaching and G. Horne is an example of this. He was a half back. Under Mcrae he was pi$$ed about and put in to the pack. This continued under Kear and Sharp. Think it took Agar to realise he was getting hammered in the pack and revert him in to the centres. But given chance at 7 the club may not have found themsleves crying out for a number 7. So before the lad is wrote off as average, i think its worth pointing out maybe why.

Agree about G.Hornes potential been coahced out of him, albeit I don't think it was on the same scale as Tommy Lee who seemed to have the world at his feet if you believed all the comments been thrown about when he was growing up and also when he reached 2nd grade level. I also think Hall showed more potential than him.
The problem with him now is that we need to sign a top centre desperately (along with a few other position I know) and if that happened, then I would prefare Hall and Whiting to cover the backs instead of him. And I feel 3 players like that covering the backs is 1 player too much

Shame Hall doesn't have the commitment or passion of G. Horne. I'd take G. Horne over Hall or Tommy Lee anytime

Tbh I havent seen G.Horne show much hint of passion and I also don't feel he is really committed either. Plus, it does seem that Agar has something against Hall so why would he want to show much passion or commitment? I feel under Sharp he showed alot of passion and commitment

Because he cant tackle. Leaking in tries at the moment and Hall doesn't help

You do realise that Agar moves G.Horne into the pack when Whiting comes on dont you ?

Hence poor coaching as i suggested

Halls defence isn't too bad, it never was too bad he was just a bit inconsistant. He was, and still is, young and if you want to get the best out of young players you have to give them time to learn. Hall was getting this under Sharp but not under Agar. With or without Hall, we still leak in trys. Our heaviest defeat this season was when Hall wasn't even playing

Agree, he is still young and needs time to learn. He really does need a centre to learn off. But defensivley he is soft and because of that maybe thats why he may just miss out on becoming the player he has the potential to be. Maybe thats why he was kept out of the Saints game? Also think he aint had chance to settle in a position (like one or two of the players) centre, wing, full back he's played. Suprised he anit proped yet hehe. Stick him in the centres and leave him there to develop. Comes back to the point of poor coaching.

I'm not sure why he was dropped at Saints, but I seriously doubt it was because of poor defence as I don't think the problems he has had at fullback are down to that. The fcat he dropped him for Thorman to move to fullback is an absolute joke of a move.
Teams can accomodate defensively weak players into their team. Hall wasn't too bad in defence anyway, just inconsistant. Others in the team can make up that downfall. Also, he isn't the type of player who will score a try but cost you two. He is the type of player who can get you 2 or 3 trys a game and now and again cost you one

IMO Saint would have targeted him. Maybe his confidence was low and Saints would have pinpointed that either with kicks or big Puletua running at him. Thorman at full back is tried and tested in a way and feel the Saints game was damage limitation for Agar. But agree, ball in hand Hall is a wonderful player.

For Puletua to run at Hall he would have to break through the line first (although that wasn't hard for Sts that day I admit!)


Thorman at fullback is tried and tested and was one of the worst decisions Jon Sharp made and is now one of the worst decisions Agar made imo

If Hall was in the centres. Thorman at fullback highlights the mistake of signning him as a 7

I think the fact that Jon Sharp played him at FB rather than 7 at Huddersfield says everything. If he wasn't a good enough 7 then why should he be good enough for us...

I think the fact they got rid of him and not Brown and Robinson who imo are very average halfbacks is also a big indicator

They thought they had Carney coming over which would have also played a part.

Exactly

Thats what I mean. Carney was coming over so they offloaded him instead of Brown or Robinson