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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"So when a school has a fund-raising event and the head teacher has a photo in the paper handing over a cheque to the charity concerned, having donated no money from the school itself, how is that OK when this isn't?'"
because it usually says something like "Mr useless teacher so ended up head is shown above handing over a cheque for xxxx, which was raised by staff and pupils at St Winifreds" or some such.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Club's heart is in the right place but they are taking credit for the fans paying, the club have donated nothing.'"
Cue the millions and millions of bobbins complaining about it
Rule, for a change, has being very clever on this one.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"So when a school has a fund-raising event and the head teacher has a photo in the paper handing over a cheque to the charity concerned, having donated no money from the school itself, how is that OK when this isn't?'"
Everyone normally gets credit for their efforts and also everyone will have had a choice with regards to donating. Both of those things are not happening here.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Club's heart is in the right place but they are taking credit for the fans paying, the club have donated nothing.'"
Says who? Isn't this our charity for the whole year? Just because they have raised cash this way for one particular instance doesn't mean they haven't donated in loads of other ways and will continue to do so. Anyway the club have raised the cash by raising the price of the tickets. Fans buying tickets have paid £1 extra and the club have chosen to donate this to charity. As an organisation they are raising the cash and, just as any other organisation that raises money for charity, they take the credit. I dont see the problem, I donate far more than £1 anyway and if the club gets credit for donating then the fans get the credit by association.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Says who? Isn't this our charity for the whole year? Just because they have raised cash this way for one particular instance doesn't mean they haven't donated in loads of other ways and will continue to do so. Anyway the club have raised the cash by raising the price of the tickets. Fans buying tickets have paid £1 extra and the club have chosen to donate this to charity. As an organisation they are raising the cash and, just as any other organisation that raises money for charity, they take the credit. I dont see the problem, I donate far more than £1 anyway and if the club gets credit for donating then the fans get the credit by association.'"
in a word, rubbish.
There is no option in this, you can't go to the game without "donating", we also don't know what the true amount of money raised will be, the club will make sure they get a %ge off the top, believe me.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Says who? Isn't this our charity for the whole year? Just because they have raised cash this way for one particular instance doesn't mean they haven't donated in loads of other ways and will continue to do so. Anyway the club have raised the cash by raising the price of the tickets. Fans buying tickets have paid £1 extra and the club have chosen to donate this to charity. As an organisation they are raising the cash and, just as any other organisation that raises money for charity, they take the credit. I dont see the problem, I donate far more than £1 anyway and if the club gets credit for donating then the fans get the credit by association.'"
I am not talking about other possible events I am talking about the derby event, this £15k they are mentioning. The fans have paid the money and Hull FC have not donated anything. Maybe if they were matching the amount raised by fans I could agree with it a little more.
Also what credit would Rovers fans get? They have donated more than Hull FC as a club have.
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| No matter how much is raised I still think the club should donate something. It's a matter of principle.
I think they should pay the £1 per season pass holder to take the amount upto the actual gate figure.
Don't see why pass holders shouldn't pay though.
How can a club take credit for a donation that neither they nor their hard core fan base contributes to. In my opinion it stinks and doesn't show the club in a good light.
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| Quote ="Standee"in a word, rubbish.
There is no option in this, you can't go to the game without "donating", we also don't know what the true amount of money raised will be, the club will make sure they get a %ge off the top, believe me.'"
Their is an option. Dont go. It might not be the option you want but it IS an option. This is the chosen charity of the club for the year so they have decided to raise money for this charity by increasing the price for a game that is extremely high demand and donating the extra revenue to their chosen charity. I really dont see the problem, its not forced because you dont have to go and I cant believe people want "credit" for paying an extra £1 on the gate.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I am not talking about other possible events I am talking about the derby event, this £15k they are mentioning. The fans have paid the money and Hull FC have not donated anything. Maybe if they were matching the amount raised by fans I could agree with it a little more.
Also what credit would Rovers fans get? They have donated more than Hull FC as a club have.'"
In this one particular instance you mean? Taken to its extreme any money the club donates was generated from the fans anyway so the club should never get any credit at all as the money always comes from the fans.
If people want to be so petty they need "credit" for donating £1 to charity I feel sorry for them.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Their is an option. Dont go. It might not be the option you want but it IS an option. This is the chosen charity of the club for the year so they have decided to raise money for this charity by increasing the price for a game that is extremely high demand and donating the extra revenue to their chosen charity. I really dont see the problem, its not forced because you dont have to go and I cant believe people want "credit" for paying an extra £1 on the gate.'"
They why are all the fans not paying? Season ticket holders and the club don't contribute but all fans having to be buy a ticket do.
That's fair?
Either way I have my ticket and don't mind donating at all but I do mind the way it has been done and the way its being presented.
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| Quote ="Willa"No matter how much is raised I still think the club should donate something. It's a matter of principle.
I think they should pay the £1 per season pass holder to take the amount upto the actual gate figure.
Don't see why pass holders shouldn't pay though.
How can a club take credit for a donation that neither they nor their hard core fan base contributes to. In my opinion it stinks and doesn't show the club in a good light.'"
Its the clubs charity for the whole year. I would think they will be donating in several other ways during the year so why is it so important on this one particular occasion?
The club are taking "credit" because the money is being raised at an event they are hosting as a direct result of their actions. If the game didn't go ahead or the club hadnt decided to increase the price and give it to charity the money wouldn't be there.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"In this one particular instance you mean? Taken to its extreme any money the club donates was generated from the fans anyway so the club should never get any credit at all as the money always comes from the fans.
If people want to be so petty they need "credit" for donating £1 to charity I feel sorry for them.'"
Yes this instance, y'know the one the club have a big article about, yeah that one. I'll comment on the others when I kow more about them.
Please don't patronise me, I have no issue donating to charity although I don't like being told which ones and how much. I also want no credit for it but I don't excpect Hull FC to be waving their arms saying look what we've done, when actually they have done feckall other than collect money.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Yes this instance, y'know the one the club have a big article about, yeah that one. I'll comment on the others when I kow more about them.
Please don't patronise me, I have no issue donating to charity although I don't like being told which ones and how much. I also want no credit for it but I don't excpect Hull FC to be waving their arms saying look what we've done, when actually they have done feckall other than collect money.'"
Robbo only does patronising recently.
Any reasonable minded person can see this for what it is.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"They why are all the fans not paying? Season ticket holders and the club don't contribute but all fans having to be buy a ticket do.
That's fair?
Either way I have my ticket and don't mind donating at all but I do mind the way it has been done and the way its being presented.'"
Again you are taking this one particular event as the only donation the club is making through the whole year. For all you know £2 of every season pass sold went to the charity so I've given twice as much as you and am doubley annoyed at not getting any credit for it.
This is just one way the club decided to try and raise money during the whole year.
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| Quote ="Standee"Robbo only does patronising recently.
Any reasonable minded person can see this for what it is.'"
The idea I like but its unbalanced. Season Pass holders and the club are not donating but other fans HAVE to.
All the fans attending should have a way of donating and none of it should be forced.
As for the club, why could they not have raised tickets by £1 and then agreed to match it?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"The idea I like but its unbalanced. Season Pass holders and the club are not donating but other fans HAVE to.
All the fans attending should have a way of donating and none of it should be forced.
As for the club, why could they not have raised tickets by £1 and then agreed to match it?'"
Would any other fund raisers match what they raise?
Load of fuss for nothing IMO.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Again you are taking this one particular event as the only donation the club is making through the whole year. For all you know £2 of every season pass sold went to the charity so I've given twice as much as you and am doubley annoyed at not getting any credit for it.
This is just one way the club decided to try and raise money during the whole year.'"
Again I can only comment on the current event which is splashed all over the website, what if the club have not donated any money from pass sales? Its all if's and but's, right now there is one event to discuss so pointing to the rest of the year is pointless as none of us know what is being arranged.
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| Quote ="Stan Butler"Would any other fund raisers match what they raise?
Load of fuss for nothing IMO.'"
The thing is for me it's not a big issue however I have an opinion on it which I have stated.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"In this one particular instance you mean? Taken to its extreme any money the club donates was generated from the fans anyway so the club should never get any credit at all as the money always comes from the fans.
If people want to be so petty they need "credit" for donating £1 to charity I feel sorry for them.'"
Donating to charity should be a choice not a term or condition for watching the sport and team that you have a passion for.
For me its not the amount, charity or "credit" its the assumption and lack of freedom to make that choice to donate.
Why not have a couple of volunteers dressed up holding buckets, stood in the concourse?
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| Quote ="Stan Butler"Would any other fund raisers match what they raise?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Yes this instance, y'know the one the club have a big article about, yeah that one. I'll comment on the others when I kow more about them.
Please don't patronise me, I have no issue donating to charity although I don't like being told which ones and how much. I also want no credit for it but I don't excpect Hull FC to be waving their arms saying look what we've done, when actually they have done feckall other than collect money.'"
Where have you been told which ones to donate to? Its the clubs chosen charity that they will be donating to throughout the year using money generated from the fans. This is just one way they decided to raise money for it.
I dont think I'm being patronising at all. Were discussing an issue we seem to look at from very differing angles. Whats the problem?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"The thing is for me it's not a big issue however I have an opinion on it which I have stated.'"
Fair do's mate, just can't see the fuss.
Next year avoid the risk by being a TRUE fan and buy a season pass
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| Quote ="Standee"Robbo only does patronising recently.
Any reasonable minded person can see this for what it is.'"
Not at all. I just see it differently and am putting my point of view across. Certainly no intended patronising going on.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Not at all. I just see it differently and am putting my point of view across. Certainly no intended patronising going on.'"
Fair enough.
I just think the fact that the club do not mention the money is actually from the occasional fans (not even pass holders) is gaulling.
But then I find it odd that we have an "official charity", we should be generating money for the Foundation, Jack Harrison tournament etc.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Where have you been told which ones to donate to? Its the clubs chosen charity that they will be donating to throughout the year using money generated from the fans. This is just one way they decided to raise money for it.
I dont think I'm being patronising at all. Were discussing an issue we seem to look at from very differing angles. Whats the problem?'"
My money goes to CR, I have not decided that or decided how much to donate. The club are making that decision for me and charging me for it. All I am doing is choosing to watch my team.
I have no problem and I don't want any credit. I just think it's been poorly handled and I will always praise/criticise the club were I see fit.
If I really objected I would not have bought a ticket and watched it on the TV but I never.
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