Didn't Turner look out of his depth against Sheffield playing 6?

Happy to see Radford/Dowes/Yak dropped to give Moa some gametime.

You mean the same guy who got shut of King, Thacks and Lee?

He does need to be bolder at times with his selections but we are only 3 games in and we have won 2 of them, hardly calls for ballsy decisions.

Look at other coaches, last year Burrow was poor but McClennan stuck with him, Pryce had a shocking season but Potter stuck with him. Sometimes fans can be too kneejerk with their reactions.

I do find this rather baffling. I doubt any Hull fan outside of those that went to the friendly at Sheffield ( I didn't go btw) has seen Turner play at stand off, yet there's a clamour for him to start a super league game for us in that position. It was also reported from some that did see him play there that he didn't exactly look convincing. So what is it that those who want him to be half back against Harlequins know?

Suppose you could be right, maybe he should name the same team and give them a warning that if they don't perform players will be dropped. Last chance sort of thing.

God knows!! During SL he has mainly played centre, he played 13 in the first division so the clamour for him to play 6 is a weird one.

McNamara did the same thing after the Bulls got hammered at home, told the players to go out and put it right which they duly did.

Out of his depth is harsh but he didn't look authoratitive. Understandable maybe at a new club as a youngster but exactly what we don't need at 6 for our next game in my view. if selected there I hope he has a blinder mind

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Although mixed reviews on Turner at SO, it is claimed it is a postion he has played all his life..He also played the position for Great Britain Under 20s (he was also the captain)..

He was playing alongside Washy so it was difficult to shine. Turner has the attributes that Horne had a few years ago so if we are going to play a running SO he is a better option than Horne. I'd actually be tempted to play Hall there as he can actually pass a ball and is an elusive runner.

Yeah on the train. About 5pm probably.

Ta.

id go with turner at halfback, weve tried and tested washy and horney but dosent work. leave tansey at fullback but he will act as a halfback in attack and leave berro at hooker.

hate to say it but berro may be the better option we have, and even that has proven to not work previously. Agar seriously needs to get some attacking coaching done this week.

TBH, it is a very difficult decision, however we had money he was given his chance to build his team etc..surely he must have considered that Long will miss game time. I agree with Paul M I think he will use Horney & Washy again I am not happy about this but all we can do is hope for a big improvement in their performance.

I think we would have gone for another decent half as well as Long if one had been available. Obviously not someone on the same money as that would have been impossible. Also not someone without real potential as that is just a waste of time. The fact we held off signing Moa for so long suggests we were certainly looking at other options overseas but if the right quality or potential isn't there at the time you need it I suppose you have to wait. Wouldn't be surprised if we are looking in the halfbacks for next year though - particularly a British player.

Hope so

We must have some spare dosh for Raynor, hopefully we are actively looking now.

He doesn't seem to have bothered for the past two years, why should this week be any different?

your not wrong, some of the knee jerks in here must have kicked themselves in the head!!

The fella spent his money on building a pack that the rest could play behind , I am sure that Agar didnt think that long would be crocked so early and the club have already said publicly that they are looking for a young apprentice as we speak .... cmon guys were three games in and lost to a good side to to being complacent nothing else....

I know we spoke to Witt before we signed Long but that would not have solved our 7 problem. However he and Long together would have been frightening.

Also rumoured around January time that we were keeping an eye on Ratchford.

Our pack was not the problem last year, it was the h/backs. It was obvious Longy would pick injuries up at some point, we will be lucky if we get 50-70% so a plan B should be available, not just reverting to a plan which failed last season.

Is it the same Witt we signed a couple of years ago and binned and he went to Union?

We never signed him, we were in talks with him before he left NZW, he went to Union in the end and is now at Crusaders.

Oh right thanks, some-one at work thought we had signed him a couple of years ago.

Our pack was a large part of the problem last year, second only to the lack of a Scrum Half. Signing new half backs without fixing the pack problems would have left us with problems.

Much as I lack confidence in Agar as a coach, I don't have any real problems with his recruitment and retention during the off season. A back up SH would have been good but there really weren't any affordable and available options of the required quality.