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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Former internationals in general are past it - that's why they are former. Former SL winners played with world class players when they won it. Thacks ? FFS hardly an established international. He played well in the season we won the CC and got his cap then. King ? jesus wept hasn't played at international level for donkey's years. Cusack is our best forward didn't play today. Your post actually proves my point - you forgot Thorman by the way didn't he play international once ?. And critically none of the players you mention have an organising bone in their body which is one of our biggest deficiencies.'"
How the hell did Radders get to captain the England side all those years ago, is beyond me!
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Motu has been consistently awful for a long time a full back. It's funny that when I called out for his defenders today it all went silent. Every defender of Motu as a fullback is an enemy to our club.'"
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"He made two, one of which cost us a try (Wire's first).'"
That's been blamed on Horne elsewhere. What happened?
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"How the hell did Radders get to captain the England side all those years ago, is beyond me!'"
Any relatively forward thinking for our club is beyond you. You continue to harp on about Motu being a good fullback when he blatantly is terrible!
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| Quote ="Largeparts" It'll be much better when Cooke is back on his four year deal, at least we'll have options.'"
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Any relatively forward thinking for our club is beyond you. You continue to harp on about Motu being a good fullback when he blatantly is terrible!'"
What the hell are you on about? I was on about when Radders captained England A and how s[ihi[/it he seems to be at doing the job. So how the hell is he coach for Hull?
My post had nothing to do with Tony, I didn't go today so I won't make a judgement on him, So STFU!
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| Quote ="Kosh"That's been blamed on Horne elsewhere. What happened?'"
Mathers broke the line. Tony had him covered but Mathers changed the angle of his run and simply went past him. He got caught very flat footed in my opinion, Mathers should never have been allowed to get round him that easily.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"What the hell are you on about? I was on about when Radders captained England A and how s[ihi[/it he seems to be at doing the job. So how the hell is he coach for Hull?
My post had nothing to do with Tony, I didn't go today so I won't make a judgement on him, So STFU!
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That's clearly why you didn't respond to my call out then. I agree that Radders was poor for England 'A', but I have a huge problem with you defending Motu as our fullback. I see it as a larger problem than any other you've brought up.
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| Motu made one mistake today,thought all in all he was very near to our MOM today,thought most of our backs worked there balls off trying to get us out of our half,the big problem again was the inability of our forwards to lay a platform,I can only remember us been in there 20 once in the first half.
I can't knock the players for effort today,but this is probrably the worst set of forwards that I can remember in a Hull shirt,we need to get rid to stand any chance of improving next year.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Excellent comeback there, no wonder it took you so long to think of it. I really hate our fans getting on each others backs, because I was brought up at Boulevard when we all pulled rank. However, your continual defence of our mistakes is turning me mental!'"
Well don't get on my back then! You was the one that attacked me with your comments so don't tell me about arguing with people on here!
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"Mathers broke the line. Tony had him covered but Mathers changed the angle of his run and simply went past him. He got caught very flat footed in my opinion, Mathers should never have been allowed to get round him that easily.'"
Kinda backs up concerns that he hasn't made a full recovery from his knee injury and has lost mobility and pace.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Well don't get on my back then! You was the one that attacked me with your comments so don't tell me about arguing with people on here!'"
I agree. I started this particular diatribe, and I shouldn't have done it. However, just remind me of how efficient you think Motu is as a fullback for us?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Kinda backs up concerns that he hasn't made a full recovery from his knee injury and has lost mobility and pace.
Must admit I wouldn't be looking to offer him a contract extension ATM.'"
Exactly what I said at the time, he just didn't look able to change direction freely enough.
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| Dear god,Yes he did flat foot Motu,he broke the line at pace and went round him,but did you see Grandad Motu turn round and chase him down???
If you give half the story to people who don't go,they'II obvouisly jump to conclusions.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"We'll agree to differ. I'm not saying for one second by the way that Agar hasn't got a fair bit to answer for. ATEOTD we lack quality at half back which means we are crap at organising any kind of attack and it shows every week when we get 20m from the opposition line. Horne has been very poor this season and Thorman should have been dropped weeks ago - something Agar has definitely got wrong previously. Our pack is OK when it plays to the very best of its ability but when that dips we are struggling even more. With 2 decent halves we would get into the top 6 but we need better players across the park to challenge the top 2.'"
The lack of halfbacks is a problem, but what the halfbacks have had to work with is a huge part of that. No one running angles, no support, no options. You could put Sean Long into that side and he'd still struggle, not because he's not good enough, but because the attacking structure is so poor and because he wouldn't have enough options to cast doubt into the minds of the opposition defence.
With the likes of Berrigan, Horne, Washbrook and Whiting in the squad, we ought to have enough creativity to make a better fist of attacking than we are doing. But we persist in playing Thorman at SH and Radford at LF, then making it even more difficult by giving the ball players we have got zero options.
Of course we need better players, but we also need the ones we have - who will form the core of the side next season - to perform at a level closer to their full potential.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"I agree. I started this particular diatribe, and I shouldn't have done it. However, just remind me of how efficient you think Motu is as a fullback for us?'"
I agree raggy, Motu has been worrying since his return, if he can sort out catching bombs again then I feel he will be fine. Imo that is his only flaw in his game. It really needs to be sorted out, as it's costing us far too many tries!
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"I agree raggy, Motu has been worrying since his return, if he can sort out catching bombs again then I feel he will be fine. Imo that is his only flaw in his game. It really needs to be sorted out, as it's costing us far too many tries!
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I fully apologize mate, I didn't expect that! I fully agree with you and I'm sorry for the aggressive approach. I have returned from Warrington drunk and angry though!
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| Quote ="Raggytash"I fully apologize mate, I didn't expect that! I fully agree with you and I'm sorry for the aggressive approach. I have returned from Warrington drunk and angry though!'"
I accept mate!
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| Quote ="Carlotti"Dear god,Yes he did flat foot Motu,he broke the line at pace and went round him,but did you see Grandad Motu turn round and chase him down???
If you give half the story to people who don't go,they'II obvouisly jump to conclusions.'"
Chase him down? When was that then? About the time Broughton ran the full width of the pitch from left to right and almost made the tackle? That one?
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| Yes that one ,if YOU was there and watched it,Motu ran Mathers down,then he passed it inside to Riley and then Broughton chased him down,REMEMBER.
Must admit,Broughton showed an amazing turn of foot to track Riley down.
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| moto has never been the same since his injury maybe the specialist was right when he said he will never be the player that he was.
was there today and as hard as he tried he seamed slow to read the bounce of the ball, had little impact bringing the ball out of his own danger zone and got compleatly flat footed when faced with a one and one tackle.
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| Quote ="Carlotti"Yes that one ,if YOU was there and watched it,Motu ran Mathers down,then he passed it inside to Riley and then Broughton chased him down,REMEMBER.
Must admit,Broughton showed an amazing turn of foot to track Riley down.'"
Oh I was there..ask half of this board
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| Quote ="Rock God X"The lack of halfbacks is a problem, but what the halfbacks have had to work with is a huge part of that. No one running angles, no support, no options. You could put Sean Long into that side and he'd still struggle, not because he's not good enough, but because the attacking structure is so poor and because he wouldn't have enough options to cast doubt into the minds of the opposition defence.
With the likes of Berrigan, Horne, Washbrook and Whiting in the squad, we ought to have enough creativity to make a better fist of attacking than we are doing. But we persist in playing Thorman at SH and Radford at LF, then making it even more difficult by giving the ball players we have got zero options.
Of course we need better players, but we also need the ones we have - who will form the core of the side next season - to perform at a level closer to their full potential.'"
Great post. Berro, Horne and Lee as pivots - they've been playing together for long enough, but we still look more like we're getting in each other's way with ball in hand. The poor woman next to me today - if she shouted "Runners, where's the runners?" once she must have shouted it 50 times. How can our players be so unaware of what the others are doing when we get the ball? The gutting thing for me is we worked so hard today. The defence, particularly on our goal line was excellent for large parts of the game and our attitude was really good - plenty of bodies in at the tackle, all high fiving Yeamo when he forced the error, some massive hits etc - so it's not like we don't want it, just we don't have a detailed plan to follow that optimises our strengths and targets the opposition's weaknesses.
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