Yes the book falls with him..

Signs ageing players, doesn't rotate them how many minutes did he play Fitz, Manu etc!!!
He chooses HIS squad!! Never even bothered to play Sam Moa for how many games!!

Besides we never had the so called injury crisis when we played pants against Crusaders etc did we.

I'm beginning to think that EXPRO is james rule !

Have thought similar. Could it be Andy Last?

we haven't heard "faithful fans" or "A Grade License" in every post though, so can't be Rule.

It's Kath then

He wouldnt know how to log a computer on

Why do people always attack new users

I haven't noticed that they did, but in the case of the 'ex pro' it's because he's a troll.

Only the obvious trolls

Do you not realise that this attitude is exactly why we are so poor now? we are given crap becuase we accept crap, but never mind hey, in any kind of weather, keep the faith, 18th man, thick and thin etc.

I have no longer have any hostility towards the board, they are not stupid and are running the business very well, they are giving the fans what they want and keeping the club financially sound.

i do know where your coming from though im not blinkered! Im as frustrated as the rest of you, do you think i enjoy watching the style of rugby were playing? I support hull fc so if my team is going through a bad patch im still going to go.

All this talk of not renewing passes and stuff well thats peoples choice but i still want to go watch and im not into keep the faith 18th man thick n thin buisness either!

Which is fair enough, it just seemed like you were ridiculing someone who said they were not going to continue going.

no i understand peoples frustrations and choices for not wanting to go. I just find it as a cop out. Im not sure why people think we have a god given right to be brilliant after the previous 2 seasons, an improvement on league position is crucial and a step in the right direction. Just my thoughts not saying im right or wrong

And are we not spending up to the max on the salary cap? Like almost all of the other clubs? What will we do with the successfully generated cash that we have to splash? Can't spend more on players , won't spend it on a coach. It's how the money is spent. Agar was saying as much when he used the not my team excuse. He spent the money this time , his choice or at least he claimed it was , therefore it's his fault , the buck stops with him.
And again why are only half of our players trying? Agar said this. Who's fault is that? The style of play or lack of it , it's down to Agar. The lack of intensity and the lethargy from the players , who should sort that?

It would be but there is precious little encouragement that it will be improved this year. With Quinns improving and Crusaders significantly better than us there's probably only Salford and Cas who are poorer. We'll be scrapping it out with Rovers for 12th.
That's where the frustration is. My league table is "half empty" not "half full" and it's draining away not filling up.

the league table wont lie at the end of the season

lets wait and see what happens

Yes let's. Then let's wait and see the season after and the season after shall we? Can you honestly not see how poor we are?

i think you will find i agree?? ive not said otherwise

We don't have any choice but to wait Agar is here for 2 years the board thinks he is right for the job, the results say differently but they stick two fingers up to the fans and laugh at us for being mugs, well that is how it feels to me.

I've been completely in your camp for the last 2 seasons and have been accused of being a club apologist on here more than once. I'm getting bored with Groundhog Day as an FC fan now.

The club has done a brilliant PR job in the last 12 months, promising a big season (without declaring specific goals and targets) and putting our 3 big signings up on a pedestal. It worked and the fans responded by buying season passes and merchandise in unprecedented numbers.

James Rule also said in the off season that it's a results business and Agar would have to deliver now that he had his squad. Barely 6 weeks into the season, a mixed bag of results and performances despite a relatively good position on injuries, and the club sees fit to commit to Agar until the start of 2013. The comment by Rule in the offseason and the actions of the board are at odds with each other. Subsequent results, including the Harlequins one and getting smashed for nearly 100 points in 2 games by Leeds, have hardly been a ringing endorsement of their decision. Had they not taken the decision to extend Agar's extension, I wouldn't be feeling so disillusioned - would be a case of seeing out this season, expecting performances with a lack of team structure, no runners, stood too flat, poor linespeed in defence, little apparent motivation (derbies excepted) and a gameplan that consists of "give it to Manu and watch as he makes a break with no support", I know this, as you can generally use the past to predict the future when there are no changes in approach, and this is what we are used to. At least there would be hope for the rest of the season, though, hope that we would at some point start to hear rumours of a new coach. That hope was extinguished on 1 April.

So, as fans of the club, our options are 2 fold.
a) Keep supporting the team on the pitch as if nothing's happened. They don't go out with the intention of dismal performances and we might make a small difference in some closer games. Plus there's always the pub pre/post game, the fact that Friday passes more quickly at work etc - other bits of the matchday experience that cushion the blow of weekly disappointment on the pitch.

b) Withold support for the team in the hope that the board does something about it, and for most people that means recognising that Agar's re-appointment was a mistake. Might have some influence if enough people did it. There has to be a tipping point past which the board would take action (eg if we dropped below 10k for a big game when we've been there for the last 50 games). Problem with this is getting it organised.

I suspect that many, like me, will actually now be in a third group, which is just picking and choosing our games. I missed very few games in 2008/9 but am now of the view that there's no hope of seeing entertaining rugby nor of seeing a team deliver its "on paper" potential under the current regime. Results are immaterial now anyway. With decisions taken by us and other clubs over the last few season, Wigan, Warrington and Saints are absolutely miles ahead of us on the pitch, but it's the fact that we have such obvious underperformances from individuals and collectively that's the issue for me. The fans deserve better.

agreed

Try setting yourself on fire outside the kc, surely that would get your point across .It worked for those monks in Vietnam.

Good post, they have worn me down to the point I don't even want to go and I would never have thought I would say that.

While I think he has had plenty of time already, if that was the case people wouldnt be as angry as they are, but we are not waiting until the end of the season are we, the decision has already been made Agar is staying for as long as he wants regardless of results, performances or both.

This my biggest dissapointment with the whole situation. We were told that the board would not sack Agar until he had been given a chance with "his team" and yet they give the contract extension before he has really had that chance. They would never have sacked him so early in the season yet they offer him a contract extension. I can see the whole situation running and running like the Cullen situation at Wire. Until the fans actaully did something there and had actual protests nothing ever changed. Now they have a top class coach in charge and the improvement is massive. I used to think the board were simply doing what they thought was right, now I just think they are taking us for mugs.