People who attend A4e and other training providers for the 13 or 26 weeks do not count on unemployment statistics. If you calculate these figures country wide the true figures are massive.

Got any proof, other than Dail Wail articles?

(wondering who this is a reincarnation of, who have we "lost" recently?)

ffs so we should class the people made redundant from the caravans etc as criminals



Earn your dole, people have been paying NI & Tax so they are entitled to get the dole.

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Spot on

Dont agree I'm afraid. Its not a savings scheme. It should be the same for everyone and a last resort when work is not available.

Correct. It's an insurance scheme, and one of the things it insures against is being out of work.

While having a 'workfare' system may seem attractive in a tabloidesque way, the problem is that it won't just penalise the feckless and workshy - it will also penalise folk who have worked all their lives and are simply victims of circumstance.

Nope, read it, says they do pay tax, at a low level admittedly, but not "none"

for a start A4e dont force anyone to do anything. Nobody held a gun to your head did they. Greencore is rubbish yeah but its a job. honest pay for you and respect from your peers or do u want to be one of the millions on the queue???

second of all its closed mindedness like your comments which give a4e a bad name. sending you to "count steps" is new to me but all other activities etc are designed with skills development in mind. such as team work, confidence, self esteem, communication, assertiveness, equality, diversity, literacy, numeracy etc etc the list goes on.

Is it not ? I have worked for the last 26 years, and as I say I have paid my NI and tax so I feel I should be entitled if I face any unfortunate circumstances, I feel I should not as one poster suggested do community service

It isn't a savings scheme.

Reading some of your posts you clearly do not practice what you preach!!

Iraq=Orchard park is just one example I have read

You are correct, however it is an entitlement.

thats only on here tho

No, it isn't.

It is ain entitlement to apply, not to actually get anything if you dont meet the prevailing circumstances at the time.

Great who is the biggest cheat of all then, maybe you are just as transparent in your role as you are on here, hence the lack of interest, just a thought

You are right, has any-one ever mentioned how pedantic you are

Pedantic or accurate?

I never said that

No I had only been there 3 days and thretened me that if I didnt take the greencore job you cut my dole money off



greencore is beyond a joke and it pays, just. Still not as much as dole or my last job. And its the reason I havent quit so I arnt in the dole queue



but those comments are true from my experiance there. and how is been told to go away for a few hours and have a few joints good for team work, confidence, self esteem, communication, assertiveness, equality, diversity, literacy, numeracy. first of all I dont do drugs and never will and second its illeagal.

from my experiance there i can agree that 99% of the people who are there are mindless idiots who refuse to work and half of them are smoking/drinking more than they should be on there breaks. all I can say is why is the government paying for people who refuse to go to work to go on a course to get a job, this isnt a dig on A4E but surly they would be better off spending the money on people who want to get back into work such as myself at the time.

The benefits system is supposed to provide the minimum level of support for those who are unable to work for whatever reason. How long you have been working before that should have nothing to do with it IMO.

There are qualifying periods for some benefits, for instance unemployemnt benefit was only payable for upto 1 year and then you wnet onto social security. You needed 26 consecutive stamps to be eligible for sick benefit, I know these have all changed and have new names the principle remains the same.

It does offer a very basic safety net to the very poor in our society, which it has done to a certain degree for the last sixty odd years. The alternative would be to adopt the US system, complete with armed police force etc because the crime rate would go through the roof.

Social benefit benefits nearly all levels of society in one way or another by keeping the lowest down they can maintain all the other social groupings in order above. The victorians did realise this and indeed many social reformers of the 1800s would recognise and welcome our welfare system. The system is not perfect and sure it is open to fraud, closing the loopholes can and should be done. The trouble is that is ripping the benefit system off for any different to many companies charging 3 or 4 times extra for products and services to our military, NHS and government organisations.


Its far too easy to pick on the lowest social group, they can not kick back but I actually agree with the tories about benefits being denied to anyone on over say £50k and I would include tax relief on private education and health care as well.

You do get good at doing crosswords, I'll give you that.

its this kind of article that really winds me up

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key quotes include

"she concedes that she doesn't really know why she didn't get a job, and that there was an element of just "not getting round" to it." not got round to it after nearly 30 years, great



""They send for you every month to ask you why you're not working and if you've been looking for work. I've told them my situation, that I've been having panic attacks when I go out" funny how these panic attacks come on when there's a threat of benefits being stopped isn't it?

"But it's not that easy to get a job straight away, you've got to write out your CV and everything and then hand it in to places." Write a CV, AND hand them in...wow what a challenge!

the only one who seems to have made any contribution to society is the son who was in the Army for 3 years...quite why they deserve £270 of taxpayers cash for such laziness is beyond me.