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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"You can think what you want but you are totally wrong !!!
Briscoe - He'd already pushed him out of the squad and made it quite clear that he didn't rate him before the contract talks, big big mistake.
Maiava - Only a clown could possibly watch him play then give him a deal like we did. Poor doesn't sum it up.
Cusack - Absolutely the opposite of what we needed at the time in our pack. Panic/poor signing and a waste of a quota spot.
Dykes - A player who everyone on both sides of the world knew was finished and couldn't even pull his shorts up without needing time on the treatment table. Total pi$$ take signing.
Sing - Probably the most disappointing "high profile" signing that we have ever made. An old man with zero pace and a two year pension plan from Hull. Big waste of money and quota spot.
McMenemy - one of the best all-round second rowers we've had in the SL era and that clown showed him the door almost within minutes of sitting at his desk. Nothing to do with his shoulder. The clown made it quite clear to him that he didn't rate him and that he had no future at Hull. McMenemy fought all year for a contract which was typical of the total professional that he was, then got unlucky with his shoulder.
Brough - Also shown the door in no time whatsoever. I don't think that he was the answer at SH but he was shipped out and never replaced, unless you count an old past-it Aussie who was made of biscuit.
You can smooth over the facts all you like and, like you just have in part, make it up as you go along, but that guy took us so far backwards in such a short space of time that it was an achievement in itself !! He took a very good squad which needed a little tweak here and there and he totally fooked it up !!! He was the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time and we are still paying for his brief but very damaging tenure.
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The poster has made some valid points to be honest and Sharp came in and had to endure a horrid time player wise.......Cooke legged it.....not his fault.
Thackery gate........not his fault.
Brough liking the beer and doing a joke that Backfired.....Doing his job.
Kings antics........Board not backing Sharp up when he wanted rid...not his fault.
Had the backing of the players he had left.....he knew we had a massive problem with S/H and brought Head in for a short stint and Dykes,when fit was clearly a class act,but his injuries caught up with him.....Agar signs Thorman who couldnt lace Head/Dykes boots.
Maiva was a disaster and Briscoe...depends which story you believe.
Player recruitment was poor but was he working with what the board would pay out and had to get the players he did.....i would have liked to have seen him with the recruitment we have for 2010 and he also brought the youth along as well.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"I agree !! I'm not, in any way, defending Agar. I think he is out of his depth but no more than PS clearly was.
PS totally fooked us and left us with a signed up squad capable of winning nothing.
On the other hand, Agar seems to be able to take that average squad and get the very least out of each individual within it.'"
Yet it still managed to get to contest 1 of the only 2 trophys you can win.
Out of the 3 coaches since Bomber left...Sharp was the unlukiest to get the boot and was the ONLY coach to have the dressing room and respect of the players and he was a damn sight better talker than Agar....his humour was spot on.
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| So anyway, Rule out!
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Yet it still managed to get to contest 1 of the only 2 trophys you can win.
Out of the 3 coaches since Bomber left...Sharp was the unlukiest to get the boot and was the ONLY coach to have the dressing room and respect of the players and he was a damn sight better talker than Agar....his humour was spot on.'"
And Agar.
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"So anyway, Rule out!'"
TBH i dont mind him but he/they pulled the trigger quicker with 2 previous coaches and Agar justifies being sacked more than 1 of them did....this is his biggest downfall.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Yet it still managed to get to contest 1 of the only 2 trophys you can win.
Out of the 3 coaches since Bomber left...Sharp was the unlukiest to get the boot and was the ONLY coach to have the dressing room and respect of the players and he was a damn sight better talker than Agar....his humour was spot on.'"
A mute is a better talker than Agar.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Yet it still managed to get to contest 1 of the only 2 trophys you can win.
Out of the 3 coaches since Bomber left...Sharp was the unlukiest to get the boot and was the ONLY coach to have the dressing room and respect of the players and he was a damn sight better talker than Agar....his humour was spot on.'"
I liked PS and I always thought that he was an amusing guy. Probably a better coach than Agar but his recruitment and retention was absolutely pi$$ poor !!!
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| I have many times Sharp was unlucky, agree he made some errors and at times we played some e.....but i had faith in the guy, faith that despite the the stuff he had to deal with he would have us up there or thereabouts in the league....Agar on the other hand........
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"I liked PS and I always thought that he was an amusing guy. :2c22pn81Probably a better coach than Agar but his recruitment and retention was absolutely pi$$ poor !!![/
Agree on both counts but how much was he backed by the board?????
2010s recruitment has been the best we have seen for a few seasons so looks as though they are backing Agar to the hilt.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Quote ="thehullwhitestar"I liked PS and I always thought that he was an amusing guy. Probably a better coach than Agar but his recruitment and retention was absolutely pi$$ poor !!![/quote
Agree on both counts but how much was he backed by the board?????
2010s recruitment has been the best we have seen for a few seasons so looks as though they are backing Agar to the hilt.'" '"
They have to ,hoping Agar can turn it around next season to save themselves from ridicule for selecting a "cheap option" as coach.
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| does anyone think if we lose every game between now and the end of the season that Agar might get the boot
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"does anyone think if we lose every game between now and the end of the season that Agar might get the boot
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If we dont manage another win I would hope Agar would do the decent thing and resign anyway!!!
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"does anyone think if we lose every game between now and the end of the season that Agar might get the boot
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No. He appears Teflon coated and will be here next season. He survived with three wins from sixteen games and one home win in five months.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"If we dont manage another win I would hope Agar would do the decent thing and resign anyway!!!'"
That's a good point, maybe if we lost every game his personal pride would mean that he did the decent thing and walked. I could handle losing to Rovers tomorrow if it meant this would happen, the season's dead anyway.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Quote ="thehullwhitestar"I liked PS and I always thought that he was an amusing guy. Probably a better coach than Agar but his recruitment and retention was absolutely pi$$ poor !!![/quote
Agree on both counts but how much was he backed by the board?????
2010s recruitment has been the best we have seen for a few seasons so looks as though they are backing Agar to the hilt.'" '"
seems that way,plus the clear out to follow yet.
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"That's a good point, maybe if we lost every game his personal pride would mean that he did the decent thing and walked. I could handle losing to Rovers tomorrow if it meant this would happen, the season's dead anyway.'"
Thats not gunna happen.
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| There are very few people that would walk away from their jobs in this ecomonic climate!
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"You can think what you want but you are totally wrong !!!
Briscoe - He'd already pushed him out of the squad and made it quite clear that he didn't rate him before the contract talks, big big mistake.
Maiava - Only a clown could possibly watch him play then give him a deal like we did. Poor doesn't sum it up.
Cusack - Absolutely the opposite of what we needed at the time in our pack. Panic/poor signing and a waste of a quota spot.
Dykes - A player who everyone on both sides of the world knew was finished and couldn't even pull his shorts up without needing time on the treatment table. Total pi$$ take signing.
Sing - Probably the most disappointing "high profile" signing that we have ever made. An old man with zero pace and a two year pension plan from Hull. Big waste of money and quota spot.
McMenemy - one of the best all-round second rowers we've had in the SL era and that clown showed him the door almost within minutes of sitting at his desk. Nothing to do with his shoulder. The clown made it quite clear to him that he didn't rate him and that he had no future at Hull. McMenemy fought all year for a contract which was typical of the total professional that he was, then got unlucky with his shoulder.
Brough - Also shown the door in no time whatsoever. I don't think that he was the answer at SH but he was shipped out and never replaced, unless you count an old past-it Aussie who was made of biscuit.
You can smooth over the facts all you like and, like you just have in part, make it up as you go along, but that guy took us so far backwards in such a short space of time that it was an achievement in itself !! He took a very good squad which needed a little tweak here and there and he totally fooked it up !!! He was the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time and we are still paying for his brief but very damaging tenure.'"
You thought sharp was hsiit as well then?
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"I liked PS and I always thought that he was an amusing guy. Probably a better coach than Agar but his recruitment and retention was absolutely pi$$ poor !!!'" so on that basis, Sharp head coach, Agar Director of rugby!?
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| Quote ="wolfie"Thats not gunna happen.'"
So he has no personal pride then?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"So he has no personal pride then?'"
would you walk out on your job,he does have a family to look after like the rest of us,hes still got unfinished business.
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| Quote ="wolfie"would you walk out on your job,he does have a family to look after like the rest of us,hes still got unfinished business.'"
If I was as bad at my job as agar is at his then I'd have been out of work a long time ago. He isn't capable of finishing the business he needs to
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| At most other clubs, Agar would have already gone but the club want to be proved right in his appointment. Especially after sacking two coaches in the last three seasons.
There can't be many coaches in the SL era that have a worse % win ratio. What is his ?? 20% or less perhaps ??
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"At most other clubs, Agar would have already gone but the club want to be proved right in his appointment. Especially after sacking two coaches in the last three seasons.
There can't be many coaches in the SL era that have a worse % win ratio. What is his ?? 20% or less perhaps ??'"
Not quite [ithat[/i bad, but bad enough.
In Super League it's played 34 won 13 lost 21 which is 38%.
If you look at the record against Leeds, St Helens, Wigan and Warrington it's played 11 won 1 lost 10.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Not quite [ithat[/i bad, but bad enough.
In Super League it's played 34 won 13 lost 21 which is 38%.
If you look at the record against Leeds, St Helens, Wigan and Warrington it's played 11 won 1 lost 10.'"
And in our fantastic 15 or 16 game run this season, we have only beaten Celtic, Salford and Cas !!!
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