I have checked that one out and as far as I understand it the shop and the offices are in the original lease and protected as our right to play there is.

That thought had also occurred to me ([i=#BFBFBFwhilst I were on the toilet[/i)

Didn't they send their City stooge to comment on RH ‘Nick’ nick?

I've probably missed it, but what is the relationship between the Council and SMC?

Is the SMC in place to run the stadium for the council, like a letting agent? Or is there more to it? Seems odd that the council aren't slapping the SMC down for not managing the stadium fairly, or generating serious income. Why no concerts? Why no big events?

I am perplexed tbh.

Is this all because he need the cash back that he used to buy city the only hope of doing this getting the stadium. And morgidge it get his money and Isis why this all out attack is happening after all times are hard

This sort of explains it:

Footballer earns as much in week as Hull council has got for stadium

Published Date: 15 October 2010
By Rob Waugh

ONE Hull City footballer is paid as much in one week as the local council has received in eight years' lease payments after spending £46m to build the club's new stadium.
And the stark reality for Hull Council is that the deal it signed up to, after handing over the keys to the KC stadium runs for 50 years and is legally watertight.

Anxious to avoid any responsibility for running costs, the council handed control to a private company when the stadium opened in 2002 and agreed to a return based only on a small proportion of any profits made.

The results of the agreement were previously held in private council papers but can now be revealed after the Yorkshire Post obtained a number of internal documents, some provided under the Freedom of Information Act.

A copy of the lease agreed with the Superstadium Management Company (SMC) shows the council receiving a return of 5 per cent of net profits up to £1m, 7.5 per cent up to £1.5m and 10 per cent above £1.5m.

But with profit levels continually low or even non-existent, the total paid in the eight years since the stadium opened is £46,996.20.

Over the same time, Hull City's attendances and fortunes have soared, including promotion to the Premier League in 2008, and Hull FC rugby team have become one of Super League's best-supported clubs.

Returns to the council under the lease have, however, fallen. In the year of City's promotion, the lease delivered just £709 and a season of bumper crowds in the Premier League the following year only brought in £1,038.

The council could have opted to receive a straight rental payment from the teams using the stadium or one based on attendances. A briefing note prepared for the council's scrutiny committee says the closest comparable development is Manchester City's stadium, under which the council there agreed a deal based on gate receipts.

A council spokeswoman said, however, the relatively low status of Hull City and Hull FC nine years ago meant a guaranteed rental based on crowd figures was not considered viable at the time the lease was negotiated.

Terms were agreed by the council's stadium project special sub-committee in 2001 when the authority was Labour-run.

The SMC has been owned by the owners of Hull City throughout. Concern about returns under the lease have prompted councillors on the scrutiny committee to ask officers to examine the accounts and the lease.

But its members were told the deal is watertight and can only be altered by agreement. A briefing note earlier this year reveals the council has been discussing the possibility of developing land nearby which would open up a chance to increase returns.

The negligible return on a £46m asset is questionable enough but the council also agreed to pay the SMC a set annual rent of £72,500 to use office space at the stadium.

A council spokeswoman said it was considered a market rent at the time and the authority does have a break clause in 2012 which it is considering using to terminate the agreement.

I'm interested, how do you and pony685 work that out?

Great. I guess the break clause wasn't used then. Is this 2017 thing thats mentioned the same?

Don't know. The break clause read to me like it was the council office bit only, could be wrong, but they did vacate in 2012.

The 2012 break clause was for the council offices they no longer have.

Ok question.

So far he's played everything pretty clever in a way, surely if he has come out in the press and broken confidentiality clauses he has to have a reason to have done so ??

He can't take the shop and offices away, but he can charge pretty much whatever he likes to rent them to us.

Unless he goes into details about the lease I can't see what confidentiality clause he's broken. And that's assuming the clause doesn't only cover the tenants (us and City).

Mr Allam uses an emotive subject in order to draw criticism which then gives him a platform in order to get across (what he sees as) the bigger picture. The end target for him is clearly to get more money out of Hull FC and gain ownership of the Stadium.

Any idea what the £500,000 claim is??

What he said

The hcc will never sell the stadium to him after this yes ge can make life diffucult but this is the fans step in and give it that much bad press he loses money next targeted we should becontactng is the sponsors of his

When the SMC were making a profit the council received a nominal amount, it now seems that Mr Allam is asking the council to contribute to the losses. Would think that before the council hand over any money (very, very unlikely) a full audit of the books will be made. This man is very dangerous but one thing he isn't and that is bigger than our City.

The way it has been explained to me is that they are included with usuing the pitch and stadim on game day in what we get for our annual payment which is index linked and the 50% of gate receipts we give after 7200 people are in the Stadium.

They've never been much fussed about income, so long as it isn't costing any more than the original outlay.
Did Pearson not once say that he lost a chunk of money on one of the concerts?

Plus, much as they want to placate Hull fans, they'll also want to avoid aggravating city fans. Getting a picture of JW put back up should be a gimme - anything beyond that the ground gets a bit shakier.

I think he said the Elton John one was a bit worrying due to reasons he didnt elaborate on.

Can't see the Who making a profit given it was 2/3 empty.

So if it is only going to cost £500 to have our history displayed at the KC , why dont we show the carpet seller what a loyal set of fans we are and pay for it ourselves ???
Im thinking put a couple of collection tins at the club shops and we chip in on match days ?
10p per person would soon cover this and then we can all move on and live happily ever after !!!

I would urge anyone in the Hull West and Hessle constituency to contact Alan Johnson to express your concerns about the memorabilia story: Alan Johnson MP Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle, Labour Tel 020 7219 6637/020 7219 1305 Email: johnsona@parliament.uk Website: www.alanjohnson.org/ Constituency address Goodwin Resource Centre, Icehouse Road, Hull HU3 2HQ United Kingdom Parliamentary address House of Commons, London SW1A 0AA

I would urge anyone in the Hull West and Hessle constituency to contact Alan Johnson to express your concerns about the memorabilia story: Alan Johnson MP Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle, Labour Tel 020 7219 6637/020 7219 1305 Email: johnsona@parliament.uk Website: www.alanjohnson.org/ Constituency address Goodwin Resource Centre, Icehouse Road, Hull HU3 2HQ United Kingdom Parliamentary address House of Commons, London SW1A 0AA

Already contacted Alan Johnson and posted his reply a couple of pages earlier

Yes I know, but we need to show the strength of feelings over this.

My concern is that Allam is going to go public in the mail & a lot of people may believe his spiel unless some-one from FC puts their side of the story across...It appears he is playing the divide & conquer game, he has been giving sweetners to a lot of other sports in the city & they think this man is great, FC have to defend their position without breaking any clauses if they can.