It is easy to say after the match but I was questioning dropping Rankin on here prior to the game as well. I'm not the coach though, Radford is and he needs to get these decisions right if he wants to succeed. Admittedly not even the best coach in the world will get it right all the time but right now Radford seems very hit and miss with his tactical selections.

So you didn't believe what he told you, but made up your own version afterwards.

So if Wigan deem it necessary to have a back room staff more than twice the size of FC's to look after 17 players that take the pitch against 17 of our players we should just think they that's Wigan we will be OK doing it our way.

Not being negative just asking questions, a team of young blokes made seasoned experienced professionals look slow, lacking in energy, lacking in motivation, lacking in skill and worse of all lacking in hunger to win on Friday. I know which coaching team I would want to train under.

For balance Wigan also had Mcilorum, Smith and Green as three of their four 'spine' players. Any or all of those players would walk into our first team with their eyes shut as each of them is way better than the equivalent incumbent in our team.

This talk of sports science is interesting and despite not really knowing the actual facts about staffing levels at Hull I think there is definitely some ground that we can make up there. What worries me far more is the physical difference between Wigan's young players and ours. I haven't been to U19s this season as I can't justify the travel required, however I did go to the Fev friendly where many of our youngsters figured. The difference in physicality and fitness between what I saw from our youngsters then and what I saw on Friday from Wigan can be measured in light years.

All I'm saying is establishing staffing levels using the club's website is unlikely to give you an accurate comparison.

The backroom staff on the website is correct.

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True those three are great players, I was thinking more about the energy and skill in general and the way they played rather than Wigan winning the game.

I agree the younger players are great examples of the way they have been coached and their attitude seems first class.

I understand that it could be an issue to do with some staff not being listed and FC might even prefer to bring in people as consultants that would obviously not be listed. But at least keep the staff info up to date. If the strength and conditioning coach is good at his job tell us about it. What qualifications has he got, who has he worked with, what are his specialties and how does he feel he can improve FC. He is new in his job after all. Professional pride would want your credentials visible, it just looks like we don't really care about the back room operations when it looks the way it does.

I'm sure you're right, but some positions won't necessarily appear - eg club doctor, and nutrition, say, may well be contracted out.

Again true, but things like club doctors appear on the Wigan site.

we list the club chaplain ffs, do you think hes full time just for Hull FC ha

So are you suggesting that they shouldn't include the Club Chaplain? ha

No, just saying, if they list the club chaplain, why not list doctors etc, I think its pretty obvious we don't have in place the same backroom staff as Wigan Leeds etc, no where near.

I know this is a bit out of date, but Optimun Nutrition are still club partners... Quote Commenting on the deal, Sebastian Mullin, Managing Director EMEA at Optimum Nutrition, said, “We are delighted to announce our partnership with Hull and we look forward to continuing to develop and build on their excellent nutrition and fitness practices. “We will be working closely with the team to develop unique nutrition strategies to support the players’ performance on, and recovery off, the pitch.” Hull FC’s head of strength and conditioning, Paul Devlin, told www.hullfc.com, “We’ve been working closely with Nick and his team for the past few weeks on our new nutrition and training plans for pre-season and we look forward to our partnership growing further over the next few months.'"

I know this is a bit out of date, but Optimun Nutrition are still club partners... Quote Commenting on the deal, Sebastian Mullin, Managing Director EMEA at Optimum Nutrition, said, “We are delighted to announce our partnership with Hull and we look forward to continuing to develop and build on their excellent nutrition and fitness practices. “We will be working closely with the team to develop unique nutrition strategies to support the players’ performance on, and recovery off, the pitch.” Hull FC’s head of strength and conditioning, Paul Devlin, told www.hullfc.com, “We’ve been working closely with Nick and his team for the past few weeks on our new nutrition and training plans for pre-season and we look forward to our partnership growing further over the next few months.'"

www.hullfc.com/article/33489/wit ... e-possible Quote Leading sports nutrition brand Optimum Nutrition (ON) are the official suppliers to Hull FC and play a vital role. Providing their top-of-the-range products to both the first team and the club’s youth sides, it is the first time Hull FC’s academy and scholarship sides have benefitted from such a deal.'"

www.hullfc.com/article/33489/wit ... e-possible Quote Leading sports nutrition brand Optimum Nutrition (ON) are the official suppliers to Hull FC and play a vital role. Providing their top-of-the-range products to both the first team and the club’s youth sides, it is the first time Hull FC’s academy and scholarship sides have benefitted from such a deal.'"

Doesn't fill you with confidence does it, I'm more concerned about the lack of coaching staff on the payroll

They're our supplier for nutritional supplements. I'd imagine all the SL clubs have such a supplier. Maybe even ON themselves. I personally doubt we use them any differently to how another club would.

The club does say they play a vital role in the bit I quoted but doesn't elaborate further. I'd be intrigued to know more if anyone can find it.

We have the same as Wigan, if you use the word "Coaching" in the usual context.

The other 15 members of Wigan's "coaching" staff include medical, performance, physio's, conditioners etc, some of which we also have.

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I quoted a bit 4 posts earlier.

Glad you finally agree ha, that link just proofs how much we are lacking in back room staff

So when you say coaching staff, you really mean backroom staff. Make up you mind.

Zzzzzzzz you know exactly what people are going on about, don't be a dick, our setup compared to the top 4 is poor, maybe this is the reason why the culture of the club doesn't seem to change regardless. People are completely dissulusioned with what's going and are looking for answers, what's wrong with that

How do you know how many hours the Wigan staff do some may only do a few hours a week), or whether Hull's list is definitive?

Definitive??

The website, and the match day programme state the same information,

I'd say that's 'definitive'.

Hull only name seven administration staff including Adam Pearson and Tony Cotson (club chaplain).

Are you telling me that nobody else works at the club?