I also think that Shaul was far too deep when we shifted it wide which allowed the Wakey defence time to shift across to plug the holes before we got there.

I said the same for their try in the corner by that big centre. He was too deep and he backed off the guy too much. In that situation, he should have shot out to tackle him round the legs. Rankin had the inside man, and letting a guy of his size get close to the line was always going to result in a try. Commit early and take his legs

Possibly but another big factor is that neither half was anywhere near the line when giving the ball to him most of the time. The defensive line was never committed to anyone.

Yep have to agree with that. Is that structure or the individual doing things differently on game day? Or is the dummy half distribution so slow they feel they have to stand deeper?

It's the same old same old, 1 out rugby, and then when we decide to go wide, it's all side ways and slow, no forward motion, no fluidity. Maybe we do need a half back like chase, someone who doesn't do what the coach tells them to! The high bombs , the lack of running at the line, dummy runners etc, got to be how we are been coached to play! I think that's where radfords comments about leeds structures are coming from, putting the blame on the players, basically saying, just because I've not got a clue, these players are good enough to sort it out on match day! Like leeds do! He thought we could do it the Bradford way, and he's no plan b! Personally think if we offer darryl Powell the chance to coach us, he wouldn't be able to resist! He's been a coach for a number of years now, done is apprenticeship in the lower division, and is showing what an outstanding coach he is

My problem with Chase is that he's so inconsistent...

What am I saying? He'd fit right in at FC!

Radford's point about Leeds was that their players turn up every week with 100% enthusiasm and prepared to play at the very best level they can for most of the time. Hard to disagree with. Whether that's down to the coach, the players, or a combination of both is not entirely clear but since Brian Mac won nothing at London I'd suggest the quality and approach of the players would provide the majority of the impetus.

Leeds have been like that for a long time so I'd say it was a player thing more than anything else. Players coming into the club or through the youth ranks will see the professional nature of the first team squad, buy into it, and then pass it onto the next set of players. I'm sure Brian Mac and other coaches play their part in maintaining that professional nature too of course.

Radders using Leeds as an example is hopefully a sign of what he is trying to achieve with our squad.

So why can't our experienced senior players such as Ellis, Houghton, Horne, Yeaman and Whiting provide similar impetus?

If anyone can actually answer this can they also provide me with some lottery numbers for tonight please?

Well if the problem is the players maybe its time to clear them out - without fear, favour or sentiment.

There is a major culture at leeds from academy teams up based around being the best you can at all times in everything you do. The structures there support and develop the culture. wigan is similar but I don't think we have the financial clout to fully emulate it, however there is certainly a level way above what we are currently achieving. There are still significant limitations with our squad who are nowhere near those of the top clubs but with the right approach from everyone we would be much better than we are now.

The players you list all have their talents (Horne and Yeaman clearly in the twilight of their offerings) but none of them have the ability to impose and affect the direction of a game like Sinfield, Burrow, McGuire, Briers, Walsh, Brough, O'Loughlin etc. It's an on-field general we need of that I have no doubt

Miller was a marked man on Sunday, every time we tried to open up space for him the Wakefield defence rushed in and around him. Feel like he is being made a bit of a scapegoat.

Rankin has bagged some tries but was equally ineffective this time around.

Still think we need to pursue this partnership though

I don't see the point in changing the pairing for a few games until Horne inevitably gets injured again and we're back to square one with this partnership.

Me neither but Horne will be in for Milky.

Without a doubt.

Lets be honest Horne can't do any worse than what Miller did on Sunday so would make sense bringing him back in

How many will it restrict us getting beat by?

He already has been worse, did you not go to the Widnes game?

Unfortunately I did go to that game and yes horne was terrible that game as we're the whole team but I know you don't want to admit it and yes it shows how bad we are as a club for halfbacks but Horne is still the best halfback we have!

no, he really isn't

So who is standee?

I'd very much like to see the younger players given a chance, Horne has been a good servant but he isn't the future.

Totally agree with you and if Horne plays on nxt season I will be very dissapointed with the club but for now between him miller and Rankin I personally think Horne is the better player