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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Fair play. When the good times come back I'm sure you'll be buying the pass again/buying the Wembley tickets etc.'"
I have supported the club when it has been bad through being penniless, I have stayed loyal through the last few years of 'wait til next year, it'll be better' but the point comes when you wonder why you are voluntarily giving an incompetent organisation hundreds of pounds a year to be repeatedly disappointed and for me that time has now come, and I suspect I won't be the only one.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Fair play. When the good times come back I'm sure you'll be buying the pass again/buying the Wembley tickets etc.'"
So will thousands of others it's the way of it.
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| easthull fc fan wrote:
Radders has got to start picking his strongest team & the team selected have got to play with pride & passion, not just for us or the club but for themselves, we have a decent enough squad to compete with other teams.
Looking at your squad, man for man, i don't think you can regularly compete with any team above the bottom four. You will however get the odd win against teams higher in the table.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I have supported the club when it has been bad through being penniless, I have stayed loyal through the last few years of 'wait til next year, it'll be better' but the point comes when you wonder why you are voluntarily giving an incompetent organisation hundreds of pounds a year to be repeatedly disappointed and for me that time has now come, and I suspect I won't be the only one.'"
Your choice - no problem with it. As I've always said there's always been fans who move away when things are difficult (although they've been far, far more difficult than this over the years). They tend to come back when success returns (i.e. finals etc.). There are others who buy passes come what may. Ultimately it's those fans who keep the club afloat with their money - if everyone walked away then by definition there wouldn't be a club to come back to in the good times. Pearson has said as much in his appeal for fans but like I say it's always been like that sine 1972 at least when I started watching.
Enjoy your time away - like you say you won't be the only one. When success returns remember those who stuck with it. Not because they're better than you or anyone else but because they kept the club afloat when others went elsewhere. Always been like that and always will be.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Picking and choosing my games next season, with crowds dwindling at the KC its pretty easy to walk up on game day and get even halfway line in the East stand, so thats one pass benefit gone. Throw in to the mix that you could be paying Superleague money to watch Championship opposition for the last 3/4 home games and thats me not buying a pass for the first time since the 90s. Sad times, but I have to draw a line somewhere.'"
Of course, the best thing to do when your club is struggling is to give it a further kick in the nads.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Your choice - no problem with it. As I've always said there's always been fans who move away when things are difficult (although they've been far, far more difficult than this over the years). They tend to come back when success returns (i.e. finals etc.). There are others who buy passes come what may. Ultimately it's those fans who keep the club afloat with their money - if everyone walked away then by definition there wouldn't be a club to come back to in the good times. Pearson has said as much in his appeal for fans but like I say it's always been like that sine 1972 at least when I started watching.
Enjoy your time away - like you say you won't be the only one. When success returns remember those who stuck with it. Not because they're better than you or anyone else but because they kept the club afloat when others went elsewhere. Always been like that and always will be.'"
It pains me to starve the club of my cash, but at the same time I hope its a wakeup call for the club to stop making such stupid decisions and sort itself out. Hiring a competent, experienced coach being the first thing to put right on quite an extensive list of issues.
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| Quote ="Razor"radders only picks his mates'"
I see this accusation from time to time. Could you list the players that are his mates and who should be played ahead of them?
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| Quote ="UllFC"It pains me to starve the club of my cash, but at the same time I hope its a wakeup call for the club to stop making such stupid decisions and sort itself out. Hiring a competent, experienced coach being the first thing to put right on quite an extensive list of issues.'"
I think hiring a competent experienced coach would solve most of the issues .
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| Quote ="UllFC"It pains me to starve the club of my cash, but at the same time I hope its a wakeup call for the club to stop making such stupid decisions and sort itself out. Hiring a competent, experienced coach being the first thing to put right on quite an extensive list of issues.'"
I completely understand your frustrations, I imagine that there's not one person who frequents this site who's happy with the current situation, there can't be.
What I struggle to understand is that you think it may in some roundabout way benefit the club by not getting a pass?
As Staffs said, you're not alone in your way of thinking, but the combined loss of revenue to the club through people taking this opinion, in a sport where attracting new fans with limited resources has proven difficult as it is, cannot help matters surely?
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Enjoy your time away - like you say you won't be the only one. When success returns remember those who stuck with it. Not because they're better than you or anyone else but because they kept the club afloat when others went elsewhere. Always been like that and always will be.'"
Well said, sir. Well said indeed.
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| Quote ="UllFC"It pains me to starve the club of my cash, but at the same time I hope its a wakeup call for the club to stop making such stupid decisions and sort itself out. Hiring a competent, experienced coach being the first thing to put right on quite an extensive list of issues.'"
I've never understood the logic of starving an organisation of the funding it needs to succeed in the belief that it will somehow lead to success. It's far more likely to lead to further failure, decline, and eventual extinction.
When it's some anonymous supplier of goods and/or services with multiple alternatives you could make a case that it won't really matter. If that company goes out of business there's always somewhere else to go. The same is not true for sports clubs.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I've never understood the logic of starving an organisation of the funding it needs to succeed in the belief that it will somehow lead to success. It's far more likely to lead to further failure, decline, and eventual extinction.'"
See Bradford for details. If people can quote examples of falling customer numbers and income streams resulting in market-leading performance, I think it would be worth discussing on here.
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| disgusting people, "support at all costs", BUSINESS DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT, no wonder the club are fooked.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"See Bradford for details. If people can quote examples of falling customer numbers and income streams resulting in market-leading performance, I think it would be worth discussing on here.'"
There's lots of classic business case examples which show a failing product being replaced due to popular demand. The most famous of which being the new coke saga in the (70s or 80s I always forget which) - it was so successful people still swear it was the plan all along to have a couple of months of dire sales for the long term effects...
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| Quote ="Standee"[udisgusting people[/u, "support at all costs", BUSINESS DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT, no wonder the club are fooked.'"
Who are you directing that insult at?
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| I just read this thread from the beginning not realising to begin with when it was first started. I did not realise as all the posts about the coach not having a clue about his best team, best half backs etc seemed as relevant today as when they were first posted (except for the odd comment about Tuson obviously). I think that just shows how little has changed, how little Radford has learned during the course of the season. He has got to go. Good coaches improve players but I cannot see a single example of that in our current squad; Good players have gone backwards.
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| Quote ="Standee"disgusting people, "support at all costs", BUSINESS DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT, no wonder the club are fooked.'"
"Disgusting people"?
I will continue to support my club, much as it pains me at present. I'll buy a season ticket when they go on sale and buy a new shirt amongst other things. Does that make me "disgusting"?
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| Quote ="Keiththered"
Looking at your squad, man for man, i don't think you can regularly compete with any team above the bottom four. You will however get the odd win against teams higher in the table.'"
well against the nearest 4 teams to us at the bottom we have won 4 drawn 1 and lost 3, so we can't even compete that well against these, never mind the rest of the league
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"There's lots of classic business case examples which show a failing product being replaced due to popular demand. The most famous of which being the new coke saga in the (70s or 80s I always forget which) - it was so successful people still swear it was the plan all along to have a couple of months of dire sales for the long term effects...'"
Good point. I guess the differences in RL are customer base (inherently limited), lack of direct competition (although competing alternative leisure spend opportunities) and challenges in product quality control (results generation in sport having more variables than manufacturing of carbonated beverages). Probably the acid test would be if the number of "disgusting people" dropped to 3k, would AP change strategy or just put the club in administration?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll""Disgusting people"?
I will continue to support my club, much as it pains me at present. I'll buy a season ticket when they go on sale and buy a new shirt amongst other things. Does that make me "disgusting"?'"
no, it makes you misguided, support anything, and it disgusts me that mediocrity is celebrated but it's the English way, "never mind, maybe next time"
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| Quote ="Standee"disgusting people, "support at all costs", BUSINESS DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT, no wonder the club are fooked.'" Never been called "disgusting" before. There's always a first time I suppose.
At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that you won't be sat near me at matches for the foreseeable future.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"There's lots of classic business case examples which show a failing product being replaced due to popular demand. The most famous of which being the new coke saga in the (70s or 80s I always forget which) - it was so successful people still swear it was the plan all along to have a couple of months of dire sales for the long term effects...'"
The thing is, if Coke went under you could always drink Pepsi.
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| I think Standee may have put it a bit too strongly but I see the principle he is making.
I also found Staffs FC's post very patronising for criticising those who have simply had enough.
I have been a supporter and pass holder for many years(Agars last season apart).
So with renewed optimism and a belief in Radford I renewed my pass again.
Now this season has proved this opportunity has come too early for Radford and he is floundering in my opinion. Lowes being a good example of this.
Too many players for me have regressed.
The constant tinkering of the team.
The fact instead of helping and developing young players like Crooks and even Miller he hangs them out to dry and sends them out on dual registration, almost into the forgotten wilderness.
The same old boring and inept tactics week in week out.
And when he's interviewed on RH he is so predictable and boring like our team and sounds like a broken record.
So for me I will not blindly buy a pass for next season unless Radford is replaced.
I would like to see enthusiasm and effort from our team win lose or draw and that for me would keep me happy.
But to be constantly bored, fed up and cheesed of every game are feelings and actions I will choose not to pay for next season.
No I am no glory supporter but someone who has simply had enough of how poorly our club is being coached and will not have my passion and following for the club taken for granted and be fleeced any longer.
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"I also found Staffs FC's post very patronising for criticising those who have simply had enough.'"
Read it again. He didn't criticise anyone.
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| Quote ="Standee"no, it makes you misguided, support anything, and it disgusts me that mediocrity is celebrated but it's the English way, "never mind, maybe next time"'"
Can you elaborate on how your behaviour is actively contributing to FC's future success, since continuing to buy passes, merchandise and attend away games is clearly destroying it?
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