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| Quote ="Roofs"Don't wish him any harm personally, we all make mistakes afterall.
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Agree with you on this one. Without him FC wouldn't have won the Challenge Cup and Rovers would not be in Super League, it's that simple. Massively pi$$ed off at the time, but just pity him now for his greed and waste of undoubted talent. A sad case.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Agree with you on this one. Without him FC wouldn't have won the Challenge Cup and Rovers would not be in Super League, it's that simple. Massively pi$$ed off at the time, but just pity him now for his greed and waste of undoubted talent. A sad case.'"
That's really thought-provoking actually when you put it like that - he was with both clubs at the start their rise again, don't think his contributions should ever be forgotten, no matter how badly he's gone about things. And, for all the argueing, professional RL in Hull is surely in it's best shape for 25 years, and he's been a big part of the growth of both clubs.
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| Quote ="Roofs"That's really thought-provoking actually when you put it like that - he was with both clubs at the start their rise again, don't think his contributions should ever be forgotten, no matter how badly he's gone about things. And, for all the argueing, professional RL in Hull is surely in it's best shape for 25 years, and he's been a big part of the growth of both clubs.'"
Cooke's creativity was pivotal to FC's best period in a generation - in 2005 and 2006 he made 53 assists, excluding cup games. Easy to disregard in the turbulent (and in many's opinion unforgivable) way he left the club, but for all his off the pitch issues he was a big game player that delivered consistently at SL level, and his move to Rovers followed by his unceremonious dethronement in favour of Dobson did for him in the end.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Cooke's creativity was pivotal to FC's best period in a generation - in 2005 and 2006 he made 53 assists, excluding cup games. Easy to disregard in the turbulent (and in many's opinion unforgivable) way he left the club, but for all his off the pitch issues he was a big game player that delivered consistently at SL level, and his move to Rovers followed by [uhis unceremonious dethronement in favour of Dobson did for him in the end.[/u'"
Ultimately the right decision though - no way Cooke would have been in the SL Dream Team two years running IMO.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Ultimately the right decision though - no way Cooke would have been in the SL Dream Team two years running IMO.'"
Nonsense. Hudgell's signing and Morgan never really wanted him. Used properly should have a been a much better combination that Dobson & I'Anson/Murrell.
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| What's with the new Av Roofs? MissNatalieLouise get to you?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Nonsense. Hudgell's signing and Morgan never really wanted him. Used properly should have a been a much better combination that Dobson & I'Anson/Murrell.'"
Was Cooke ever in the Dream Team during his best form for Hull
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| Be hillarious if his debut is against us in pre season
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Be hillarious if his debut is [u[iagainst[/i[/u us in pre season
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| Quote ="Roofs"Was Cooke ever in the Dream Team during his best form for Hull
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Yes, in 2005. Lost out to McGuire in 2006 but McGuire scored 21 tries himself that year.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Yes, in 2005. Lost out to McGuire in 2006 but McGuire scored 21 tries himself that year.'"
Oh right, fair dues. Pretty clear though that there was only room for one - Dobson or Cooke - to be the creative engine of the Rovers team. Paul Cooke at his best does not come close to Dobson at his best IMO.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Oh right, fair dues. Pretty clear though that there was only room for one - Dobson or Cooke - to be the creative engine of the Rovers team. Paul Cooke at his best does not come close to Dobson at his best IMO.'"
Paul Cooke was a pivotal player in winning the Challenge Cup (beating Bradford, Saints and Leeds to do so) and was an ever-present in a team that finished 2nd in SL and got to the Grand Final. Saying that at his best he "did not come close to Dobson" is silly. Morgan never wanted Cooke. A coach with more vision and less petulant self-interest could perhaps have worked these two players into a great partnership.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Agree with you on this one. [uWithout him FC wouldn't have won the Challenge Cup and Rovers would not be in Super League, it's that simple.[/u Massively pi$$ed off at the time, but just pity him now for his greed and waste of undoubted talent. A sad case.'"
Quote ="Mrs Barista"[uCooke's creativity was pivotal to FC's best period in a generation - in 2005 and 2006 he made 53 assists, excluding cup games.[/u Easy to disregard in the turbulent (and in many's opinion unforgivable) way he left the club, but for all his off the pitch issues [uhe was a big game player that delivered consistently at SL level, and his move to Rovers followed by his unceremonious dethronement in favour of Dobson did for him in the end[/u.'"
Quote ="Mrs Barista"Nonsense. Hudgell's signing and Morgan never really wanted him. [uUsed properly should have a been a much better combination that Dobson & I'Anson/Murrell[/u.'"
Quote ="Mrs Barista"[uPaul Cooke was a pivotal player in winning the Challenge Cup (beating Bradford, Saints and Leeds to do so) and was an ever-present in a team that finished 2nd in SL and got to the Grand Final. Saying that at his best he "did not come close to Dobson" is silly[/u. Morgan never wanted Cooke. A coach with more vision and less petulant self-interest could perhaps have worked these two players into a great partnership.'"
Spot on Mrs.B
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Paul Cooke was a pivotal player in winning the Challenge Cup (beating Bradford, Saints and Leeds to do so) and was an ever-present in a team that finished 2nd in SL and got to the Grand Final. Saying that at his best he "did not come close to Dobson" is silly. Morgan never wanted Cooke. A coach with more vision and less petulant self-interest could perhaps have worked these two players into a great partnership.'"
Makes you wonder why Morgan played him so many times in the survival season (and in huge games like Salford away) then?
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Spot on Mrs.B
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Apart from the Murrell bit, obviously. International pivot and all that.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Translated: Morgan made a coaching decision to replace Webster with Dobson (must say if I'd be in charge I'd have kept Webster as a fill-in stand-off, scrum-half or hooker - legend of a player). Dobson however is the best half-back Rovers have had in the last two decades, so ATEOTD Morgan, it cannot be denied, [umade the correct decision to push Dobson as the main man[/u.
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Dobson has undoubtedly been a success at Rovers, that is not the point at all. Cooke was a pivotal player in a top 2, CC-winning, GF side. Morgan chose not to optimise the contribution of Cooke because of his insistence on channelling everything through goldenbollox Dobson, thereby, in conjunction with Cooke's own issues, effectively ending Cooke's career. Morgan's failure to create a top partnership between a rising star and an experienced and creative top 2 HB should go down as a huge missed opportunity, surely?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Dobson has undoubtedly been a success at Rovers, that is not the point at all. Cooke was a pivotal player in a top 2, CC-winning, GF side. Morgan chose not to optimise the contribution of Cooke because of his insistence on channelling everything through goldenbollox Dobson, thereby, in conjunction with Cooke's own issues, effectively ending Cooke's career. Morgan's failure to create a top partnership between a rising star and an experienced and creative top 2 HB should go down as a huge missed opportunity, surely?'"
No, theory and reality are two different things. In theory Cooke and Dobson was a dream pairing, but it didn't work in reality. In any case, Morgan cannot be blamed for Cooke's off-field problems, weight gain (alleged), been in Piper the night before a big away game, etc etc. Don't get me wrong I was a fan of Cooke at Rovers, and on paper he didn't get given enough chances under Morgan, but again, in reality there could have been so many factors that the majority of us will not know about.
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