bye harlequins

We all know that Catalans, Harlequins and (assuming they are still in business) Crusaders are untouchable so its one from Cas, Wakey and Salford.

Never going to happen.

All prejudice aside; who contributes least to Super League? Has to be Harlequins for me.

Ideally I'd like to see a Cas/Wakey merger, bringing Widnes in.
Admit the London experimet hasn't worked and give up, bringing in some form of Cumbrian side, a heartland of the game without SL representation is ridiculous.
Force the Crusaders back to South Wales or withdraw their franchise.

For me it should be one of either Quins, Wakey or Salford.

I think the Quins have had more than enough time over the years (in all their guises) to make it work and grow the game and fanbase in the biggest catchment area of the whole of SL. What do they really bring to SL? Problem is the RFL wont admit to it being a failure.

bye Salford?

I still think away attendances should be taken into account, clubs like us, dobbins etc are puttin cash into the pockets of the local communities when we travel so why shouldn't that be included?

It doesn't matter how little the Harlequins have brought to the super league, they'll be given a license; the RFL want a London club.

I agree. Taking FC as an example (on your site) if Hudds give attendance as 6978 there could well be 3000 black and whites there (40%) whereas FC have an attendance of 13000 of which 300 are hudds fans (2.5%).
Over the season I will wager the away support from Rovers and Hull will average out at 20% over all grounds. We could only wish for that away support at ours.

I think it does not make rocket science to work the outcome based on all the criteria

Widnes in
Wakefield out unless they merge!

Quins will not drop because of the RFL passion of having a London based club!!
However remember the inside news coming out of Wrexham is awful reading and they could disapear all on their own, you cant loose that much money day in day out and not jump ship ...

It's quite cringeworthy when i look over to the away end on matchdays i think it was at cas when we were nearly 50% of their attendance

Anyone thing a combined Cumbrian side would work in SL?

That was bizarre - entering the ground it looked like a home tie for us.

I don't think you would have to combine them but a cumbrian club needs to be in super league as do widnes, fax and feath

before we took on welsh and french teams that exact senario whould have been where we took our RFL cash in the first place.
British RL needs a vibrant Cumbria team in SL and RL needs Cumbria however i think there is little chance of mergers in Cumbria to pull it off ... has anyone ever experienced the rivalry between those teams jeez makes us and rovers look tame

But yes i would love a Cumbria side in SL, weekends on the lakes, fishing and RL what more could you ask for

I think they should try a Cumbrian side for 3 years just as in France and S Wales.
I was talking to 2 guys at the London Game and they had moved to London from Workington for work reasons, even they said it was a struggle for crowds down there.If the London crowd was 3k then over 50% must have been from Hull.As every one else says London will still be in.I agree it looks like Waky out and Widnes in at least they would bring some support.

A win



It's a great place to go and would be great to see superleague up their

Catalans is working in my opinion,decent fanbase,brilliant away trip and lets be honest they have a chance of appearing in another Major cup final.
Purely selfish Reason I know but I would much rather spend a week in Spain and drive to an away game in the Summer sun than another bloody jaunt over the M62.

Cumbria a few years off for me no signs of being willing to work together, no stadium and no appetite to start to think about it really which is a big shame. How interesting it is that Wakey have been quiet on signings for next season nor have they yet renewed any of their contracts. Call me suspicious but.................

Might depend on whether anyone goes into receivership before then though????

Quins for me but they the french and the Welsh are bomb proof in my opinion and Wakey and Cas as much as I love em are doing themselves no favours with this public spat over who plays where!

I dare say cas and wakey should both be worried as it looks nailed on one of them is going, but there's a lot of water to go under the crusaders bridge before the end of the season despite their on field progress, power struggles in the boardroom with wrexham fc, noble's future in doubt and distinct lack of money as their crowds start to drop I'm hearing, they may be bomb proof but they're not forced to exist next year yet.

Er, weekend in London shopping and sightseeing, thanks.

Sadly I have to say seeing what happened at the Quins a few seasons ago I believe the League will behind the scenes bail the Crusaders out!

yes, I kind of thought that was what noble was asking for in the press the other week.

I guess your right Wilf, its not right but i think your correct my old friend!!
Call me old fashioned but in my opinion as much as jaunts across the water and so on are nice SL neither belongs in france, Wales or london...
It is as you know wilf many MDs, fans and players opinions in SL that the game should in these uncertain times concentrate on their core product rather than trying to expand even further a model that simply does not fit outside the core heartlands of RL wether we like it or not!! hence why Cumbria needs SL to get the interest going again up there but as you say whilst ramshackle teams are playing in ramshackle stadia nothing will happen unless a gold mine is found in Whitehaven.
we simply do not have the backing or the cash to take Union on head on so we should concentrate on what we are good at where we are good at it and make sure those production lines of batley, leigh, Whitehaven etc etc all survive and benefit through hard financial times ...

problem is the RFL see it different

I think the Crusaders are a scandal. They were brought into existence to grow the game outside of the heartland, in South Wales, an area with an interest in rugby. But the RFL allowed them to move to a one horse town (were we talking about Hull being percieved as a dump on another thread? try Wrexham) and set up business half an hours drive from Widnes. They need to go back, or be gone.

Don't think SL needs Fax or Featherstone, they belong to a bygone age.