Been saying for years Horne isn't creative enough. He used to make up for it by being quick on his feet and making things happen with good footwork but we haven't seen that for the last 2 years.

Which is sooo wrong.....if he doesnt produce - bring in someone who does....he earns a good wage and should do better .....
Why havent we got 2 - 3 young scrum halves at the club learning off Longy too......

He has no creative ability, and as such should never be played in that sort of role. To be honest, neither does Washbrook much, so when both your half backs haven't the kicking or ball handling ability to unlock a defence, then you're on the back foot before you even kick off. If we the fans can see that and have been saying that for at least 2 seasons now, Why can't Agar? Oh, as well as that, Agar plays Horne when he isn't fit

I thought we learnt the lesson a long time ago that Horne is not a seven???

Why not put him at full back and Tansey to seven

People need to take one game at a time and all this if we win by 33 points business was bonkers

Seems that way I'm afraid. As a senior player I had hoped he would maybe become more of an organiser and thinker as he has got older but it hasn't happened. As you say his key weapons of speed and agility appear at least to be fading.

I wish people would stop thinking about putting Horney at fb...:s

Just leave Tansey there

Seems common sense to me, Tansey looks a quality fullback so stop pratting about moving people from there best position just to compensate someone else been crap in their position.

and who do we play at half back, without Horne and Long? Horne can't create at 7, Washbrook can't create at 6 or 7, Agar can't create a gameplan!

OK...we should use Turner then

Totally agree

Moving possibly the only player with the character and ability to lead the team in the absence of Long isn't pratting about in my opinion it's reacting to the obvious issue we have in our team.

Houghton to hooker and Berro to 7....has less disruption on the team than moving people all over the shop and leave Tansey alone at F/B.

So you'd weaken the full back position aswell? Tansey is our best FB and by some distance. Leave him there.

Give Turner a shot at 6 he see's himself as a 6. You never know he might turn out to be outstanding there, and hopefully keep Horne out of that position.

Nail on head.

He was once a fantastic runner of the ball. But the acceleration, mobility and deceptive strength has faded, almost certainly never to return.

The result: there is nothing there now, nothing. People need to realize it won't help to move him to full back or anything else. There is nothing there any more.

I watched Turner in pre season. Was impressed with him at centre against Rovers. Was much less impressed with him in the halves against championship side Sheffield. I was looking to see if he was directing and organising play but he wasn't. That is what we are missing. He may do it in the future but he is new and young.

Tansey played FB today and we lost. I don't want him to play FB next week and us lose again - would rather see him play in the halves and see his obvious attacking flair and directing skills put to use at first receiver. We need to react to our obvious deficiency without Long not wring our hands and try an untested youngster in a position where we need a leader in Long's absence.

He is contracted to 2011 as well..........what chances of being paid off at end of this one.

None whatsoever im afraid.

Yep Tansey at 7 with you all the way

I'd go with Turner and Washy on Friday, or maybe even Turner and Whiting if Calders is back. Shake things up, that's what we've got strength in depth for.

I'd go with this TBH. It seems drastic but after watching that tripe today, drastic action is required.

As for RH, he wasn't terrible but neither did he step up to the plate. He put the effort in but he just lacks that spark/pace/agility that used to make him such a threat. Sorry to say it but he ought maybe to be thinking about retirement.

Flippin eck it must have been bad, I know you hold Rich in high esteem Kosh



Struggled since his injury imo

Why do some people hold R Horne as a Messiah.
At the end of the day he is an ordinary run of the mill SL player

Sorry to hear you say that mate. He hasn't played well for a long time.

I'm with Staffs on trying Tansey in the halves if Longy is missing on Friday. Berro and Washy have been tried there with little success. We need to find someone with organisational skills or expect similar performances to those seen over the last 2 years.