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| Quote ="number 6"possibility the cap will rise for next season so money [ucould [/ube available'"
Depends on finances I guess.
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| Quote ="Largeparts"Maybe not but 4 swallows certainly makes your weekend
. Kelly has shown more in his four games than lots of other half back solutions have in their entire Hull careers (almost at least !).
I know money is always a consideration but that is what I was alluding to with Radders and Motu's nouse WRT contracts. But money isn't everything even if you're earning career is short. Was he on great money at Rovers ? Look how well that worked out.'"
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I know what you mean, and like you think we've got good recent form on doing deals. With cap rules being clarified shortly, pre May, and our track record for getting business done early I'd expect us to know either way on Kelly in the next couple of months. For sure there'll be interest - there's such a lack of quality halves generally that it makes it more important than ever to be in the game early.
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| Quote ="ccs"Money isn't necessarily an issue if you take into account the marquee player rules.'"
Great shout. Forgot about that!
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| Quote ="ccs"Money isn't necessarily an issue if you take into account the marquee player rules.'"
But you have to pay a player over 175k to make that work, I'm not sure we have any players who will be near that.
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| Quote ="Dave K."But you have to pay a player over 175k to make that work, I'm not sure we have any players who will be near that.'" I know, but Pritchard was thought to be worth a punt, so who knows.
To be honest, I don't think anyone is worth 10% of the salary cap, but RU are NRL caps are way above ours, so maybe someone could be worth the extra.
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| Quote ="ccs"I know, but Pritchard was thought to be worth a punt, so who knows.
To be honest, I don't think anyone is worth 10% of the salary cap, but RU are NRL caps are way above ours, so maybe someone could be worth the extra.'"
Not sure how it all worked, but the bulldogs paying a good wedge ofFranjs contract will have helped last year, I reckon that's one of the main reasons we got rid, as we would have had to pay all his contract.
I think they will raise the cap, it's been the same for about 10 years, whilst our competitors have all risen there's a lot in recent years, even 100k would really help.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Not sure how it all worked, but the bulldogs paying a good wedge ofFranjs contract will have helped last year, I reckon that's one of the main reasons we got rid, as we would have had to pay all his contract.
I think they will raise the cap, it's been the same for about 10 years, whilst our competitors have all risen there's a lot in recent years, even 100k would really help.'"
I don't see how the cap can be raised, unless prices go up, most people are struggling a bit as it is?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"17 tries in 48 games. To be fair in the same two seasons Raynor on the other wing hardly set the world alight with 22 in 54.'"
He did play right wing in a team that predominantly went left
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"I don't see how the cap can be raised, unless prices go up, most people are struggling a bit as it is?'"
Aren't all s clubs getting a £1/2m + increase in their sky money?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Aren't all s clubs getting a £1/2m + increase in their sky money?'"
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| Hoffman was brilliant for Wigan in 2011, 6 years ago. Could still do it I'm sure as he's a quality player.
Also rumoured Tautai may be leaving Wigan. Plays prop but can play back row.
Williams isn't going to Wire. The NRL (Souths) have blown Wire's massive offer out of the water.
Wigan would probably promote from within. Jake Shorrocks could be a new 6, Tomkins to go back to 6, Powell is a 6 anyway and could play there if/when McIlorum returns.
Kelly isn't a Wane type of player.
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| As stated above, Kelly doesn't seem to fit in with being Wanes type of player. Maybe we're the best fit for him?
Why would Williams go to Wire?. Why leave the champions for a middle eights team?
He has plenty of admirers in the NRL, but wasn't aware Souths were after him. Good replacement for Kearey if true, but would be a shame to lose him from the British game.
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| a Quote ="suedehead."Not a rumour but if mini or Ellis need replacing I would be looking at Mcmeekin? Or Ashton Simms'"
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| The only thing that ashton sims can do anywhere near the quality of ellis is to grow hair
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| Contract talks have begun with Kelly, surely a no brainier to keep him, we all know the risks, but if he wants to stay we have to take that risk
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| Quote ="Dave K."Contract talks have begun with Kelly, surely a no brainier to keep him, we all know the risks, but if he wants to stay we have to take that risk'"
For a player of his calibre it's worth it. Will take money out of the cap but look at how other clubs are struggling to get quality halves. Heard a couple of NRL clubs interested too, so not holding my breath.
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| New deals to be offered to Kelly and Mini in next couple of weeks according to League Express. We're not in for Widdop.
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| I'd offer Kelly a 3yr deal and Mini a 2yr deal..
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| I think it would be a silly move to offer Kelly a 3 year deal. That's where he'll go off the rails, gotta keep him on his toes.
All to similar to his time with rovers, half way in to the season, offer him a silly contract on 4 grand a week and it went tits up.
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| Maybe he's happy and expressed an interest in staying?
It may be risky, but one worth taking. He's an NRL quality half back. They're scarce in the NRL, never mind Super League.
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| Offer him an extension to next season and renegotiate next year for a 2 year stay if he performs well.
It's the "second season syndrome" that we're worried about.
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| With the talk of contract upgrades, does anyone think that if Mini and Ellis do go around again it will be on contract "downgrades". Not in anyway meant to be a slight, but as players get older contracts tend to reduce over time. Just wondering if it happens that it may help to balance any upgrades.
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| Wellsy13 Wrote;
Quote Offer him an extension to next season and renegotiate next year for a 2 year stay if he performs well.
It's the "second season syndrome" that we're worried about'"
Problem being there will be plenty of other clubs will to offer him a straight 3yr deal based on his form with us to date.
Unless the we have a 2nd year option in our favour he can't walk away from I feel we have no option but to give him the going rate for a player of his quality. We've got him on the cheap this year so we are lucky.
If he'd ripped it up last year & not fell out with Hull KR we'd have paid more for his services this year anyhow.
Just get get him signed up.......................can't think of another player we could get on a SL level salary that would have such an impact on the team. if we aspire to stay at the top & to actually win a GF he's a player we must keep.
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| No rumour but seeing Westerman at our reserves and chatting to Radders, made me think, would we have him back as a replacement for Mini or Ellis (Long term) if used right he is a very good player IMO.
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| Maybe more to do with Brandon Westerman playing for our Reserves after being released by Castleford
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