Kear wasn't the answer, as you say league form was poor

and at Wakefield i feel he gets overated, yes he did amazing work to keep them up, but look at last season, they didn't win after July...our fans would be livid if we had that form.

but still even though we were inconsistent then we at least had faith in his ability to get us motivated for big games, and personnel like Swain, Cooke, Kearney who could change games.

James Rule should ask Berrigan,

Compared to the current team preparation
and tactics

What is the difference between the Broncos and Hull FC??

Berro ,would say!!

Miles apart!!

But surely Agar is the man currently assembling next years squad. If he went would the new man in want to bring his own blueprint which brings you full circle as in 'its not my team, judge me in 2 seasons time'.

Berrigan will be collecting his bus pass before he finished answering that question!

First of all I would be very disapointed if we got Tim Sheens.

I would not mind if Agar went back to assistant coach, if the head coach was a top class coach. I just don't think Agar has had a decent mentor.

we're in a situation were it is going to take time to get us back being a top4 team anyway.

I'd rather we spent that time with a quality coach who knows what he is doing than a coach who can't even manage his interchanges.

Fitzgibbon and Long will address two of our main shortcomings next season creativity and leadership. There is also cap space for another 1 or 2 arrivals with several players out of contract. We would be happy with simply making the playoffs next season if we could see progress being made.

TBF he could probably just say 1 thing, organisation by Mr Lockyer!

The Grade A licence that the club achieved in the franchise application process demonstrates to me that all the pieces are in place for a club that should be challenging at the top end of Super League each and every season.

A top 4 finish should be the minimum requirement. Anything else, in my opinion, represents underachievement.

Since 2006 we have regressed dramatically as a club on the pitch to a point where we will almost certainly miss out on the (now top eight) play-offs for the second season running. For a club with any ambition this has to be considered totally unacceptable.

I still believe that our current squad has the ability to be at least challenging for a top 4 position. We spend to the maximum allowed on salaries, have a number of players who have performed at the very top levels within the sport, and have a fantastic youth set-up.

There are certainly issues on the playing side, particularly with the balance of the squad. We do need a top class half back (addressed for next season so credit there) and a number of top class forwards (Fitzgibbon certainly fit’s the bill but more are needed) but even taking that into account I do not believe that our current coaching set-up are getting anywhere near the best out of the players at their disposal.

The players didn’t perform for Peter Sharp either, or John Kear before him. Quite why the board thought Agar, a man who was assistant coach in both those regimes, was the answer I have no idea. To me continuity is something you want to promote within a successful, winning culture not in a failing, underachieving culture.

Perhaps he deserved a chance and the club granted that wish but I am far from convinced he has the skills or experience necessary to take us to the top.

So from my position as a fan who has no insight in to the running of the club, we need a completely fresh start in regard to the coaching set-up at the club. It could be that some players are not up to the task either (that much is obvious) but if the coach cannot get the best out of our current squad then why should we believe it would be any different with a different set of players?

Now is the time to bring in a top class coach with a proven track record of achievement at the highest level. A coach that can bring a new perspective, some fresh ideas, re-balance the squad, and get the best out of the players at his disposal.

You only have to look at champion teams in any sport to realise that the key ingredient to their success is the coach. I believe the board should look to bring in a coach who reflects our ambition and who can take this club back to where it belongs, which is challenging the Leeds’ and St Helens’ of this world at the top of SL, not scrapping it out at the lower end of the table.

Come on you Hull.

no we need a clean sweep of the coaching set up

Agar has been here since 2005, and will have had a major say in the way the players are trained under both Kear and Sharp.

If we got a new coach then Agar would have to go. It looks to me that our set of current players have no respect for him as a coach. So why keep him. The new coach

would have to be free to A, Decide if he wants an assistant, and B If he does then he will want to choose his own assistant.

I'm not sure how you can overate a coach that saved the clubs very existence! If we would have gone down in a season where with 6 games left we were 1/10 with the bookies to go - we would never have got back in with the (utterly flawed) franchise system and the club may well have folded.
I guess his win with Hull in the challange cup, his win with Sheffield in the challange cup and his amazing escape were all flukes!
His signings have all been first class and we are now a well established mid table side that is progressing in every department.
I still laugh when i think of how you offloaded Kear to be replaced by Compo from last of the summer wine!

Will Agar fall on his sword?...............bacause he won't get pushed.

I knew we were going to win when I saw the shots of the Hull players on the bench in the first half. They looked thoroughly hacked off. The Warrington bench looked the same when they came to Belle Vue, and Lowes was replaced soon after. The body language was awful.

One positive: I thought Jody Broughton looked very impressive for a young lad. He almost caught Brough when Raynor couldn't get near, and he had to come from the other side of the pitch.

Some people are just meant to be assistants. Maybe the clubs ought to do more of what the Aussies do: put a recent and top player in charge, with someone experienced as a back-up. Every assistant coach who gets promoted seems to fail.

I think they completely miss the point another cheap and cheerful coach with a foot in both camps, riduculous!!!

I said he did an 'amazing' job keeping wakefield up, is that not praise enough?

he has always been good at lifting teams for big games (which all of his first season Wakefield games were) but he is still yet to show any consistency...Wakefield look good for a few weeks then revert back to the lower end of the table. And signings all first class? Peterson for one certainly isn't

Petersen is a very good player that has suffered with quite a serious injury- i reckon he will show his class over the remaining games.
If John Kear spoke with an ozzie accent he would have still bean in Cod Country - you lot would have been hailing him as the best thing since fish fingers and your club would be a real force. I thank god he was born in Yorkshire!

Can't you have a discussion without throwing insults?

To be fair, if we had a good coach that had saved our club, we'd be pretty defensive about them!

Let's be clear about this - Kear went due to a combination of pi$$-poor results, odd selections, and seemingly losing the dressing room. His place of birth had zero impact on the matter - as you may have noticed, the numpty currently impersonating an SL coach at our club hails from nearby.

And don't try and paint too rosy a picture for us. I've been reading the Wakey board an I've seen the complaints about many of the same issues that dogged his tenure with us.

Kear is a decent coach who occasionally pulls a master stroke out of the hat but rather more regularly suffers from brain farts. He'll do a decent job for you but if you really want to challenge you'll need better IMO.

tony rea

I may get shot down for this but Ian Millward? He knows what he's doing in terms of tactics etc. and helped make the Saints side the force it is today. He also isnt afraid to speak out and make his opinions known.

Agar lacks anything needed to make him a good coach, its almost as if his excuses for our losses are already written before the game. As a fan ive written off this season completely - next season if Agar is still at the helm, we will once again see no improvement.
Testiment to Agars lack of coaching ability is Shaun Berrigan, probaly one of the top hookers in the world when he came over here...he now seems to have had every bit of talent sucked out of him.

What has Tony Rea done?

a genuine question as all i really know about him is that he was a half-decent player.

I agree that Agar must go but I think the players get away with it to lightly .
There the ones who are cheating us fans , Once agar goes you will probably see an increase in effort . It happened with kear and sharp . W e need to get rid as many as we can and change the culture of the club.I wouldnt imagine fitz , longy or crocker if he was here would stand for that type of performance .

Sorry if i offended you but if that level of banter is considered to be "throwing insults" then i have to say that you are a little on the sensiive side.