He's behind you

What is everyone arguing about, we've got Morgan and 99% of our fans are happy with him and you've got Agar and....oh wait a minute.

Best way to sort this out (taking the Harry Hill method out of the equation) is wait and see in October who has had the better year then that should give us our answer.

What a joker.

You're never going to get a reasonable debate on here with some Hull fans simply because you follow Rovers. Any critisism of our great club by anyone quickly brings the draw bridge up and instills the seige mentality within some quarters.
There are so many mitigating circumstances as to where both clubs are at.
Hull an established SL side who have had a far superior academy set up in place as compared to Rovers who have been playing catch up and so have snapped up any local product we release as to comply with SL license requirements even if said player is not good enough or SL standard. Up until Rovers promotion any local lad aspiring to be a proffessional player would join Hull or any other Yorkshire SL club for that matter.
So to compare youths developed is unfair as Hull have had it all their own way for years. That being said Rovers over reliance on imports and ways over cheating the system to get players off the quota needs to stop for the youngsters to be able to get a chance.
I do credit Agar with getting rid of the trouble element within our club however but as the o/p said this was supposed to be a debate on coaching ability only and so yes I do rate Morgan over Agar unfortunately.
It's amazing how quickly some our topics degenerate into name calling, slanging and points scoring spoiling many a good debate or topic.

Agar's win % in SL regular season: 44.77%
Morgan's win % in SL regular season: 48.14%

27 of Morgan's games were as a newly promoted side, while Agar took over a side that had finished 4th the previous season. If you think of the working conditions, facilities and resources available to both coaches then it is even more telling.

Morgan has appeared in the playoffs in 2 of his 4 SL seasons and won one game. Rich Agar has appeared in the playoffs in 1 of his 3 seasons and suffered a resounding home defeat to Morgan.

Agar's superiority to Morgan in bringing through players is being massively overplayed IMO, he has Houghton and Briscoe while Morgan has Welham and Watts. Our two are slightly better overall than their two but it's hardly Busby's babes on either side

I wouldn't want Morgan at Hull because I've grown to dislike him too much now, but I can fully understand why Rovers fans love him and why he gets linked with bigger jobs. Neither of those things can be said about Rich Agar.

It's a sad state of affairs when FC fans are reduced to claiming that because Agar has finishes of 11th, 12th & 6th while in the same time-frame Morgan finished 7th, 4th & 7th that it somehow represents Agar's superiority over Morgan.

You're speaking far too much sense there

I think you’re generalising again you douchebag, jerk, dumbass, numb nuts, tool, idiot, dolt, loser, dork, jackass, dingleberry, chump, twit.

I'm just off to get my rather large dad you nob jockey, p15s bladder ugly mofo

you couldnt make it up could you sheldon

Those percentage's suggest neither coach is anything special. Which they aren't.

And we have a winner.

I don't think either coach would get offered one of the top jobs in SL so I don't know why everyone is so bothered.

Are you talking about every game that they have led their teams in SL or last season? I think last season it was 59% for Agar. Can't be bothered to work out Morgan's but assume slightly worse what with Rovers finishing lower in the table having lost one more and drawn a game.

They also do Morgan a slight disservice by not counting 3 tied games. 52-3-53, is 49.5%.

Our first 2 SL seasons Rovers were 21-1-32. 2009/10 they almost mirrored that at 31/2/21.

edit: Agar's figure is too low as well, I think - even excluding his spell as caretaker in 2006. 48.5% overall, I reckon.

I think that Agar has had a lot to contend with due to the injuries the team have suffered during his reign at the club. Morgan on the other hand has not had the resources and finances at his disposal that Agar has had. I think that this is topic is a non starter due to the above mentioned. Ifs and Buts I know but how well could Hull perform with a fit team for a full season and if Rovers had more cash to spend on players how would they perform. Unfortunatley I dont think this question can be resolved at the mo. Maybe given several more years as SL coaches then the answer people are looking for maybe clearer. This of course is only my opinion and I'm not taking sides but Agar is the Hull Coach and Morgan smells

good punchline - made me laugh

Boooooooo!



When it comes to us and them you cannot beat a 'My Dads bigger than your Dad' debate

Every game they have led their team in SL, the bigger the sample the better.



I wasn't doing Morgan a disservice, I quoted win % not 'didn't lose %' .

I didn't include Agar's caretaker spell in 2006 but if I remember right he took over in 2008 after Peter Sharp was sacked following the Harlequins game and went on to get 4 wins from the remaining 13 SL games that season with no draws (from Hull FC Website). In 2009 he won 10 games with no draws and in 2010 he won 16 games with no draws (SL website). If my maths are correct that's 30 wins from 67 games with no draws = 44.77 win %.

Personally, I think the more recent past is more representative - but your method is certainly one of the ways you would judge someone over their career if they had already retired. Finals attended, play-off games won etc would also be included (not sure the 9s would count though

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It's a discussion about who is the better coach overall so I don't see how judging it on last season's performances alone is more representative than looking at their whole SL careers?

Is it just about the coaches?

I thought it was about FC and KR for the coming season

Personally don't think you can judge it on their SL careers either as Morgans win % in his first year in SL was never going to be that high due to the fact he had a hybrid NL1 club trying to compete in SL.