thats a real exciting team

I agree with that and would be surprised if we go anywhere near 5000
The HKR game will be the only match that exceeds 10000

Crackers season. Only seven who played in round one versus Rovers in this squad. Eight of that side are no longer at the club and two out injured.

Will be at least 5000k, probably 6k. Once the season finishes people will forget and miss rugby, a couple of off field announcements and people will renew.

Will lose 1.5 to 2k max I reckon wouldn't suprise me if it's less.

I'm glad you're so confident, I'm not so sure looking at the number of current and long standing regular pass holders where I sit in the East Stand that stopped mid summer coming mid summer and that's with a pass bought and paid for.
The club have a got a job on not only re engage with its fan base and its core supporters but also to convince them it'll be different this time and to renew once again.
If the recruitment had been a little more exciting then maybe but I think to say easily 4000 is underestimating the strength of feeling of discontent.

I hope I'm wrong but do feel if the club hit 4K renewals then they've done well

It's one thing missing a few games but to stop going altogether is a different matter. As I say we will have far more than 4000 members next season, be sure of that.

Trouble is if we all down tools and didn't renew we wouldn't have a club. Yes I understand some not renewing but the bottom line is without mugs like me we wouldn't have a team. We will come good in the end. Now when that is is anybody's guess?

Whatever happened to "In any kind of weather"?

I think you misunderstood me. We will have way more than 5000 members.

No way will the derby be the only game over 10k.

People are getting a bit carried away, I think.

Anyone who thinks we won't get anywhere near 10K next year is either daft or is being ultra negative on purpose. We'll still average over 10K next year, especially if we can have a decent ish start people will soon start coming back.

With a decent team near the top end of SL were one of only a few teams who can regularly draw 13-14K every week.

To be fair I can understand why that is wearing thin with some people you can hardly blame them, it’s an expensive hobby especially with the cost of living and we aren’t exactly getting value for money

Dan Tomlinson gets slagged for writing articles for HDM and hasn’t got time to produce it now.

I just hope they’ve been realistic and budgeted for the big decrease in memberships and attendances. It’s not just financially the IMG threshold is 7.5K average and we’ll only get 1 derby next season so there’s that to think about too.

Like Eamon McManus alluded to when talking about Saints finances he thinks not keeping competitive is a false economy in this sport. AP obviously thinks differently but I’m not so confident in the supporters loyalty. I know so many previous die hards who’ve said they won’t be bothering anymore.

He never did,

that was Vince Groak, Steve and Company, Dan produced Up the Cream which he was advised to stop on joining the Mail

probably because he criticised the club too much in it so instead now he does that in the Mail

What happened to the horse?

My bad , your good

Your last two sentences are pretty much my concerns as listening to everyone around where I sit through last season and this season with most being what you'd call die hards, the feeling of discontent is deep. I know most if not everyone has probably said at some point 'I've had enough' but then renewed once again but this season it has felt totally different when its been said. Many backed the club through lockdown when struggling financially themselves which could be a reason for the depth of feeling why they feel cheated and let down on top of the way the clubs been run so poorly.
The number of people that renewed passes for this season but have just chucked in the towel mid summer to do other things and getting enjoyment is again another concern. Even as a long standing pass holder I am guilty myself of deciding do other things which I've enjoyed doing instead of going to every game as I used to. That is the real danger the club face is getting those fans to renew, many I've spoken to are pretty adamant that they are done as they simply do not enjoy it anymore or the way they feel after attending a game.
I'm fortunate I can afford to renew without worrying too much about it and will do so to support the club financially but I will most likely pick and chose my games depending on other choices I have for my time.

Anyway on to Saturday, can't see anything other than a large margin of defeat unfortunately given the 21 man squad released and we simply just aren't good enough at all.

Tomorrow will be the first game I have chosen not to attend since the early noughties. I'll probably go next week just to see off Carlos and Houghton but my expectations are zero. Not sure how long I'll last next season if there isn't clear improvement by Easter.

We are a generally fickle bunch- a couple of wins next season would see the disenchanted rush back. I am not immune to the affects of the dross served up this season but I try to see the bigger picture. If a supportive crowd can be the 14th man then a critical, booing set of fans can be a red or yellow card. This year has tested everyone’s patience but it sorts the real fans from the rest. Charles, Moy, Litten, Martin, Laidlaw, Gardiner and Barron to name but a few will have had the most valuable experience. It bodes well

How dare you contaminate this forum with reason and optimism. This season has found the real fans anywho love the club in any kind of weather/crisis

I'll be there for the last two games. I'll also be renewing for next season for me and my two grandchildren. I posted earlier "what happened to In any kind of weather" and I was referring not to a magazine but to the alleged loyalty of our supporters. I agree that this year has been worse than awful, but that's this year and with the changes being made I'm sure we'll see an improvement in 2025. Come on, lets get behind them!

The weather's been fecking awful for years. No wonder people have had enough.

The supporters have been far more loyal than the club has any right to expect

I see burough has been recalled to their 21 man squad but no place for cust. They have 6 of their squad numbers 1 to 7 in there, we have 1. Just about sums things up

The club have played on “in any kind of weather “ too many years now.
Not sure how many clubs would still be posting 10K crowds after the dirge we’ve endured over the last few years.

Another note on next years attendances I’ve heard a few people say they’ll not renew while Pearson is still the owner. I think a clean break would maybe bring in a bit of optimism and help sales, but it’s going to go the other way, people have convinced themselves with silly rumours that the club is going to be bought out when it isn’t and will end up disappointed.