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| shaul is still a good FB and when fit woulds start there imo, but connor has got the position for most of this year so lets see how it goes, nice problem to have when both fit
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| Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"You're nit picking aren't you? As mentioned the Warrington game was a massive team defeat that for the most part lay at the hands of the coach, putting it all on Shaul is disgraceful and disrespectful!
Shaul gets to the ball faster than Connor does on kicks, from what I've seen of Connor so far Shaul is safer undr the high ball, he's able to make more metres coming out of defence than Connor and whilst I think he could do more regards on the goal line defence I feel he's able to make tackles more so than Connor ever will able to do.
Yes connor hs some advantages in attack but we lose some of his guile by moving him to centre, with a differing coach Shaul could have had a shout at changing how he fitted into the attacking line and our ability to get the ball to the backs with more space and not always reliant on a kick from Sneyd could have negated some of Shauls' previous limitations. And whilst that limitation is frustrating it's not a massive part of the equation as to why we fail in the opposing 20 is it?
You can't now make a direct comparison going forward of Connor at FB to Shaul in a team that was disorganised, and oft imbalanced, because we have a 6 who is quality, should give us real impetuous in attack (and not too shabby in defence either from what I've seen) will hopefully play more games than the outgoing 6 and a coach who is going to do the 'small' things and improve core skills/understanding of what is required.
Will Connor do well at FB, very likely, but to slander Shaul when he's only ever been under a coach with no clue regards core skills, no grasp of how backs should play (Lineham stated this after he left and worked under Hodgson) and latterly in a team getting record wallopings is massively unfair!'"
Jake has hands like shovels, he’s safe and confident under most high balls, he did make a couple of uncharacteristic blobs under swirling high bombs, don’t remember which game it was.
Taking kick returns from whichever position he plays, he’s probably the safest pair of hands in the team.
Speed is a funny thing, some have it over a few meters, then slow off, Jamie has genuine pace, and has shown many times he’s a match winner, and dangerous threat.
Jake has all the promise of an outstanding footballer, and we will hopefully see this massive potential unfold on the pitch under our new coach.
In my humble opinion, the most important thing Brett needs to concentrate on, is get them all fit, as in the recent past, Hulls fitness levels seemed a way behind other teams.
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| Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"You're nit picking aren't you? As mentioned the Warrington game was a massive team defeat that for the most part lay at the hands of the coach, putting it all on Shaul is disgraceful and disrespectful!
Shaul gets to the ball faster than Connor does on kicks, from what I've seen of Connor so far Shaul is safer undr the high ball, he's able to make more metres coming out of defence than Connor and whilst I think he could do more regards on the goal line defence I feel he's able to make tackles more so than Connor ever will able to do.
Yes connor hs some advantages in attack but we lose some of his guile by moving him to centre, with a differing coach Shaul could have had a shout at changing how he fitted into the attacking line and our ability to get the ball to the backs with more space and not always reliant on a kick from Sneyd could have negated some of Shauls' previous limitations. And whilst that limitation is frustrating it's not a massive part of the equation as to why we fail in the opposing 20 is it?
You can't now make a direct comparison going forward of Connor at FB to Shaul in a team that was disorganised, and oft imbalanced, because we have a 6 who is quality, should give us real impetuous in attack (and not too shabby in defence either from what I've seen) will hopefully play more games than the outgoing 6 and a coach who is going to do the 'small' things and improve core skills/understanding of what is required.
Will Connor do well at FB, very likely, but to slander Shaul when he's only ever been under a coach with no clue regards core skills, no grasp of how backs should play (Lineham stated this after he left and worked under Hodgson) and latterly in a team getting record wallopings is massively unfair!'"
Sorry I stopped reading at disgraceful and disrespectful hahahaha Jesus wept are you 6?
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| Quote ="WestEndThinker"Shaul is over rated, simple.'"
What rating is that precisely and by whom?
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Sorry I stopped reading at disgraceful and disrespectful hahahaha Jesus wept are you 6?'"
it's you who are clearly unable or unwilling to enter into a proper conversation, you stopped reading because you flog a player who has done very well for us and I disagreed, thought you were being very disrespectful and your response is that., that really is special, it really clarifies your level.
Grow up and debate like an adult or is playground slanging all you can do?
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| Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Sorry I stopped reading at disgraceful and disrespectful hahahaha Jesus wept are you 6?'"
it's you who are clearly unable or unwilling to enter into a proper conversation, you stopped reading because you flog a player who has done very well for us and I disagreed, thought you were being very disrespectful and your response is that., that really is special, it really clarifies your level.
Grow up and debate like an adult or is playground slanging all you can do?'"
Just to add my own thoughts regarding Shaul & Connor both have pro's and con's to their game. Personally for me I think the Connor has the edge over Shaul at FB currently. Considering Connor was thrown in at FB due to the unfotrunate injury to Shaul I thought he showed up well in that role as was an effective pivot.
Yes Shaul has pace and has indeed used that well in his game but where he has been lacking for a while is his link up/support play as a FB. Also when he did join in the attacking line the play more often than not ended with himl as he took the wrong option or ran down a dead end. He was very good under high balls but over the past season or two he has certainly not been as secure, quite often hesitant and letting the ball bounce. I believe there is a good full back in there and he has been let down by the Coaching team I would argue that a degree of apathy crept in with his closeness to Radford playing a part in performance levels (like Houghton). Under Hodgson a lot of Shauls minus points should improve quite significantly as we saw earlier when BH spent some time with Shaul previously.
Connor for me is a player that is just a natural and in some ways quite similar to Whiting in that he reads the game so well and has a real talent just lacks a little bit of pace and his temperament & desire to do well gets the better of him.
He is secure under high balls has a great leap and the ability to link up play. He's a player than when used effectively can be unplayable and I believe thats what BH has seen in Connor. Again like Shaul he will only improve under the guidance of BH.
In terms of lack of pace for a full back you only have to take a look back to Paul Wellens who I wouldnt say was a speedster at all in the FB role but he was a player that knew the role well and could read the game and see situations developing so was able to get in the right place at the right time.
Right now for me Connor has the edge over Shaul because of his all round game in the FB role and he adds that extra dimension to the attacking play which is what Shaul needs to work on.
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| Quote ="Chris71"Just to add my own thoughts regarding Shaul & Connor both have pro's and con's to their game. Personally for me I think the Connor has the edge over Shaul at FB currently. Considering Connor was thrown in at FB due to the unfotrunate injury to Shaul I thought he showed up well in that role as was an effective pivot.
Yes Shaul has pace and has indeed used that well in his game but where he has been lacking for a while is his link up/support play as a FB. Also when he did join in the attacking line the play more often than not ended with himl as he took the wrong option or ran down a dead end. He was very good under high balls but over the past season or two he has certainly not been as secure, quite often hesitant and letting the ball bounce. I believe there is a good full back in there and he has been let down by the Coaching team I would argue that a degree of apathy crept in with his closeness to Radford playing a part in performance levels (like Houghton). Under Hodgson a lot of Shauls minus points should improve quite significantly as we saw earlier when BH spent some time with Shaul previously.
Connor for me is a player that is just a natural and in some ways quite similar to Whiting in that he reads the game so well and has a real talent just lacks a little bit of pace and his temperament & desire to do well gets the better of him.
He is secure under high balls has a great leap and the ability to link up play. He's a player than when used effectively can be unplayable and I believe thats what BH has seen in Connor. Again like Shaul he will only improve under the guidance of BH.
In terms of lack of pace for a full back you only have to take a look back to Paul Wellens who I wouldnt say was a speedster at all in the FB role but he was a player that knew the role well and could read the game and see situations developing so was able to get in the right place at the right time.
Right now for me Connor has the edge over Shaul because of his all round game in the FB role and he adds that extra dimension to the attacking play which is what Shaul needs to work on.'"
A well constructed accurate and grown up assessment. Thankfully.
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| Quote ="Chris71"Just to add my own thoughts regarding Shaul & Connor both have pro's and con's to their game. Personally for me I think the Connor has the edge over Shaul at FB currently. Considering Connor was thrown in at FB due to the unfotrunate injury to Shaul I thought he showed up well in that role as was an effective pivot.
Yes Shaul has pace and has indeed used that well in his game but where he has been lacking for a while is his link up/support play as a FB. Also when he did join in the attacking line the play more often than not ended with himl as he took the wrong option or ran down a dead end. He was very good under high balls but over the past season or two he has certainly not been as secure, quite often hesitant and letting the ball bounce. I believe there is a good full back in there and he has been let down by the Coaching team I would argue that a degree of apathy crept in with his closeness to Radford playing a part in performance levels (like Houghton). Under Hodgson a lot of Shauls minus points should improve quite significantly as we saw earlier when BH spent some time with Shaul previously.
Connor for me is a player that is just a natural and in some ways quite similar to Whiting in that he reads the game so well and has a real talent just lacks a little bit of pace and his temperament & desire to do well gets the better of him.
He is secure under high balls has a great leap and the ability to link up play. He's a player than when used effectively can be unplayable and I believe thats what BH has seen in Connor. Again like Shaul he will only improve under the guidance of BH.
In terms of lack of pace for a full back you only have to take a look back to Paul Wellens who I wouldnt say was a speedster at all in the FB role but he was a player that knew the role well and could read the game and see situations developing so was able to get in the right place at the right time.
Right now for me Connor has the edge over Shaul because of his all round game in the FB role and he adds that extra dimension to the attacking play which is what Shaul needs to work on.'"
Great summary without any dramatics needed.
Pretty much my thoughts. Really looking forward to Connor at fullback with Hodgson as coach.
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| Haha was feeling a bit depressed until reading the last couple of pages, made me laugh, Jesus some people can rant! Personally think we are in a good position, unfortunate for shaul to miss a chunk of the season, but really is a great opportunity to have a look at Connor at 1, over a decent period. Maybe have the discussion then, who’s the better fullback, Connor looks very promising, but we’ve seen that before. And shaul as always been a dangerous consistent fullback, I’m excited to see who eventually ends the season at fb! Both can be quality players
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| Quote ="MorningGlory23"Haha was feeling a bit depressed until reading the last couple of pages, made me laugh, Jesus some people can rant! Personally think we are in a good position, unfortunate for shaul to miss a chunk of the season, but really is a great opportunity to have a look at Connor at 1, over a decent period. Maybe have the discussion then, who’s the better fullback, Connor looks very promising, but we’ve seen that before. And shaul as always been a dangerous consistent fullback, I’m excited to see who eventually ends the season at fb! Both can be quality players'"
I still say Briscoe.
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| Briscoe was amazing used to break his nose every game stopping try's lol
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"I still say Briscoe.
'" I still say Motu Tony.
Briscoe v Tony was the original forum splitter
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"I still say Motu Tony.
Briscoe v Tony was the original forum splitter
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Wasn't everything Blackloks fault?
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"I still say Motu Tony.
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Which was insane as Briscoe was significantly better than Tony in that position though MT was more flexible regards differing positions.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Sorry I stopped reading at disgraceful and disrespectful hahahaha Jesus wept are you 6?'"
I stopped reading when I saw who the post was made by. Knocker's back and knocking as usual.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"I stopped reading when I saw who the post was made by. Knocker's back and knocking as usual.'"
Er, I merely pointed out that we were having a reasonable discussion on who might fit best where and RocknRolla accused me of nit picking but then did exactly that and went all in saying Shaul was garbage.
I knocked no-one, it's inflammatory comments from people not wanting to have a decent discussion that make this forum such a crap place to chat about rugby and the clubs goings on.
If you don't want to enter into discussing rugby like an adult and merely to slag posters off/make snide comment, why don't you just toodle off elsewhere?
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"I stopped reading when I saw who the post was made by. Knocker's back and knocking as usual.'"
Will put him on ignore then , if he's the board twerp.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Will put him on ignore then , if he's the board twerp.'"
Well he's just confirmed who he is, if we didn't know already.
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| Quote ="ccs"Well he's just confirmed who he is, if we didn't know already.'"
ooo, proper sherlock holmes, or is that Rosemary and Thyme
Can't we just talk about rugby ffs.
Are all players aside from Shaul injury free thus far, how do people see us playing with regards to Reynolds inclusion, getting the ball moving quicker and with more purpose as well as having more discipline is what I'd like to see. Not just addressing indiscipline at the PTB which costs us penalties but discipline in how we stick to the coaches plan, too often we've seen a bunch of headless chickens running around with no shape or organisation
I remember a home game (against Wigan I think) we were a few points down at HT after making inroads into the opposition lead late in the half, we came back out and went all mental and started forcing things straight from the first set, we lost possession and they scored, back into meltdown mode and they won easily in the end.
it's difficult for players under duress but hopefully a coach that can man manage and address how players adapt and maintain what they do when the chips are down (and also when we are winning) so that the team plays as a team, that they rally each other to continue doing what they know they can do, will see us improve a small amount that can turn close losses into wins.
On the individual side, can't wait to see what Reynolds will bring, his dynamism is evident and hopefully there's someone on his shoulder when he makes a break.
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| Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"ooo, proper sherlock holmes, or is that Rosemary and Thyme
Can't we just talk about rugby ffs.
Are all players aside from Shaul injury free thus far, how do people see us playing with regards to Reynolds inclusion, getting the ball moving quicker and with more purpose as well as having more discipline is what I'd like to see. Not just addressing indiscipline at the PTB which costs us penalties but discipline in how we stick to the coaches plan, too often we've seen a bunch of headless chickens running around with no shape or organisation
I remember a home game (against Wigan I think) we were a few points down at HT after making inroads into the opposition lead late in the half, we came back out and went all mental and started forcing things straight from the first set, we lost possession and they scored, back into meltdown mode and they won easily in the end.
it's difficult for players under duress but hopefully a coach that can man manage and address how players adapt and maintain what they do when the chips are down (and also when we are winning) so that the team plays as a team, that they rally each other to continue doing what they know they can do, will see us improve a small amount that can turn close losses into wins.
On the individual side, can't wait to see what Reynolds will bring, his dynamism is evident and hopefully there's someone on his shoulder when he makes a break.'"
After listening to the interviews by BH and what I've read on the things he has said it certainly appears he is addressing discipline in all areas even within the training, he seems also to be very thorough in his planning by all accounts. He already spoke about the importance of having systems in place and ingrained in the players so even when tired and concentration is low the structure remains in place so hopefully the total drop off and lack of organisation will be a thing of the past. He's also been quite vocal about it being a team first mentality too.
I'm fairly optimistic and looking forward to seeing how we go and feel we will certainly see improvements in our style of play and performance. I'm hopeful we might now see players in support and a fluid attacking line that's mobile rather than static when receiving the ball.
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| Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"Er, I merely pointed out that we were having a reasonable discussion on who might fit best where and RocknRolla accused me of nit picking but then did exactly that and went all in saying Shaul was garbage.
I knocked no-one, it's inflammatory comments from people not wanting to have a decent discussion that make this forum such a crap place to chat about rugby and the clubs goings on.
If you don't want to enter into discussing rugby like an adult and merely to slag posters off/make snide comment, why don't you just toodle off elsewhere?'"
I’m sorry but you made yourself very unpopular in your prior guise and your argumentative style of reposts don’t help. You recently said of me, “ you add nothing to the forum and your posts are meaningless”
Calm down, I appreciate you are an FC fan and your cycle holiday around France and Belgium in 2017 has to be lauded with Jack Harrison memorial in mind. Just try not to bite when other posters are niggling you.
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| Quote ="Armavinit"I’m sorry but you made yourself very unpopular in your prior guise and your argumentative style of reposts don’t help. You recently said of me, “ you add nothing to the forum and your posts are meaningless”
Calm down, I appreciate you are an FC fan and your cycle holiday around France and Belgium in 2017 has to be lauded with Jack Harrison memorial in mind. Just try not to bite when other posters are niggling you.'"
And yet again you just couldn't leave it could you!
So having a differing opinion that didn't meet with others approval warranted been constantly attacked including personally including by you hence my response. You made an inflammatory comment in the first instance and you got one back, yours and others asinine comments towards posters when it comes to disagreeing with an alternate viewpoint is what makes this forum so toxic. Yet you can't even see or admit that it is the puerile posts that make it such, and those posts do not add anything to the forum and ARE meaningless!
Stick to commenting on the rugby and everything is fine, why is that so hard for you and others to understand, or is it that you simply want to cause ructions and force people off the forum when you don't agree because you can't have a reasoned discussion?
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| Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"Which was insane as Briscoe was significantly better than Tony in that position though MT was more flexible regards differing positions.'" He really wasn't though was he ? The form Tony showed during our 13 game winning streak was unreal, the only reason Briscoe got moved back to fullback was because of Blacklock retiring. In fact Briscoe was tried on the wing first but was terrible there so Tony got moved there because there was nobody else and it significantly weakened our team.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"He really wasn't though was he ? The form Tony showed during our 13 game winning streak was unreal, the only reason Briscoe got moved back to fullback was because of Blacklock retiring. In fact Briscoe was tried on the wing first but was terrible there so Tony got moved there because there was nobody else and it significantly weakened our team.'"
I have often said those games in that run are some of the best full back performances I have personally seen for FC at the Kcom. Motu's problem was the same for me as that of Richard Whiting and now to a lesser extent Jake Connor; he could play well in too many positions and his utility value far outweighed his need to play in one place. .
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