For all we know Taylor signed his contract months ago and its only just been announced due to our recent form. and now IF radders is leaving it has caused some unrest amongst the players.

I'm not saying the rumour is true and personally hope its not as I believe he has earned the right to start next season in charge,

sack him on what reason, winning the cc twice, finishing 3 twice, finishing 6th when other teams like wires and leeds who have had bad injuries all year have finished bottom 4, seemingly given the club a good culture, ?

It’s hard to judge the season due to the injuries we’ve encountered.
What the injuries can’t do though is mask any shortcomings we’ve shown.
Attacking structures definitely need tweaking. I’d use the remaining games to try some things out attacking wise.
Also the retention’s are something I’m not sure about. Radfords proved his doubters wrong many times over the last few years, and maybe this will be the case again.
Still think we’ll see one or two coming in, with a few leaving.

Players out of contract at the end of the year have to be told by the 1st of May what, if any, new contract is to be offered to them.
It's good for the players, but makes life difficult for the club when form dips towards the end of the season.

To be fair, on a night like Friday, with a greasy ball, it was never going to be fast hands type of rugby.

I think too many are placing too much emphasis on who the opposition were rather than looking at the bigger picture. The stark reality is that this season was just about blown apart in May with the amount of long term injuries we have had to endure. This factor alone should tell you that judging Radford on the teams performances is not a fair reflection on his ability to get a team ready when we have had so many out for so long. For me, Radford should be allowed to start 2019 with a clean slate, BUT we must see improvement in our ability to compete and take advantage of field position.

It does seem a bit baffling that Mini, Manu and Washbrook have all been retained. I'd like to see a few more shipped out and a monster forward signed. IMO the only young forwards who have done enough to suggest they can cut it at SL level are Matongo and Lane. Downs and Fash both will give you 100% but I feel they are not adding to the team.

Whilst a petty response ill ignore that to say this.

Was signing nobody a better option ?

Congratulations.
You are entitled to ignore what the fook you want.
I was just trying to make the point that Ellis is virtually irreplaceable.
Some of the kids might look up to the likes of Mint and Tag.
The kids, senior players, coach, and his staff, and our owner, all looked up to Ellis.

Is that the correct quote and context though? I heard the interview stuck in the traffic leaving the ground and it seemed he was more bothered with the sidewards movement with no go forward which blighted the first half display in particular. That such noted defenders as Crooks and Hall were untroubled by it suggests it certainly wasn't what Radford wanted or had planned and I can understand his frustration at those poorly executed plays.

As expected another well known Radford hater is giving it big on the Gaurdian match report. Radford has apparently taken Hull backwards now - must be true because we all remember all those trophy's that poured in before Radford took over.

…. including "fluffing" the treble in 2016.

Maybe bonaire should join him.

Congratulations to Halifax and Richard Moore a great achievement reaching the top four, on a budget presumably a lot less than the other three. Nice to see a club from the heartlands still fighting.

Radders interview quote.

“ to all the f@@@@@s who pass continually negative comments and never actually attend a match f###k reet off” unquote.

Motu Tony is a bigger loss to the club than we maybe realised at the time. Ellis isn't enjoying the role and all we've done is renewed existing players contracts. It is harder than ever to get experienced players from the Southern Hemisphere to join an SL club, so it was good to have Motu with his contacts and respect Down Under to unearth some gems like Talanoa, Fonua, Faraimo & Carlos. This years recruitment feels like we haven't look any further than our own dressing room.

Didnt take long for swear words to get involved,this board is improving.

As good as Ellis was he is not the only player to bring them qualities to a squad. We needed a big signing who was a leader and never got one.

Any suggestions?

Don't agree about masi think he us developing well, gevus hard to put down and him not getting out down is a real plus and something to work on, tough to compare him with Thompson as he is an outstanding player and could be one of the best props in the world, plus Masi hasn't been playing right that long compared to other props, so it might take him longer to develop.

I think Green is a decent player but is injured too often.

I don't think props are our major problem we make plenty of yards, we lack line breakers and our attacking plays are poor particularly in the red zone.

I'm not making excuses, our ball retention was absolutely appalling and we didn't deserve to win, however these players might be back from injury but they are far from match fit and it shows. Just confirms what I've been saying for years about the necessity for a reserve grade to give somewhere for players returning from injury to actually gain some match fitness.

… and confidence, you'll never know for sure your knee is 100% until you start playing for real, and the reserves is the obvious starting point - if you don't feel quite right then you can come off without risking making things worse.

Exactly. The reserves is so much more than just a youth team. It's somewhere for the regular first teamers to play if needed to gain match fitness. I'm massive advocate for it and really hope the rumours that are circling of a reserve grade being developed across the board are true.

Simon Mannering

I hear you

Lee can’t have it both ways though

Just like Trump claims the Stock market successes he then can’t disown the losses to come

Lee used to the excuse of unfit players returning as the reason
for the loss. So the following week surely he can’t fall into the trap of being so daft as to play players not fit etc

If he did then he’s stupid or unfit players are not really the reason and the low morale , confidence and missed tackles are down to his
coaching methods ??

He can’t use the same excuse 2 weeks running - surely

I don't think he used it as an excuse.
He actually said, after tha Wakey game that he 'Rolled the dice'.
I take that to mean he was gambling on not fully match fit players to have the experience, and guile to improve the team, more than several of the young players, who have all had too much game time this year.
We have a lot of players coming back from serious injuries, all of whom need game time.
Where else can they get that game time?

Granted if the morale is low there may be things he can do to improve that. Confidence and missed tackles are down to individuals.

john sutton

Yes another top player, think Mannering is a couple years younger.

And he's announced his retirement

Awaits calls for Steve McNamara.