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| Quote ="Dave K."he has a good record'"
No he doesn't, he has 2 previous incidents on his record hence getting the higher of the possible number of bans.
Quote Dec Patton (Warrington Wolves) was found guilty of a Grade D High Tackle charge in the Betfred Super League fixture against Hull FC on Friday March 2. The player contested the grading level but the tribunal were satisfied that it was the correct grading level. The player has two previous incidents of disciplinary on his record (including striking) and within the guidelines set out, a concussive injury should be an aggravating factor which occurred in this instance. Patton received a five-match suspension and £500 fine.'"
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| Can't really argue with either IMO.
Sinfield got 2 games for an even more innocuous butt on Luke Dorn a few years back, throw in Watts' previous and 3's not inconsistent with that.
And although Patten's 5 games might have been deemed harsh a few years ago it's now pretty much the case that tackles that are malicious, dangerous, illegal and result in injury are likely to attract that kind of response from the RFL.
I would like to see a system where one of those games was held in reserve for the next time the teams met, as it's unfair that the offended-against team's rivals should benefit. That said, having seen Patton's performance before his dismissal you'd probably prefer that he did play. Whereas Wire might prefer it if Watts didn't.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Took me a while, but now I know you are simply trolling.
The fact that Patton recklessly swings his arm into the face of Faraimo already dictates its pre meditated, unless of course Patton had never played the game before and had no idea of the rules regarding head contact.
Factor in that the referee had actually called held and was pointing to Faraimo to go back to his mark (ball carrying arm made contact with the ground), will have meant Faraimo was in a slightly relaxed position. I heard the officials call in the stands, so Patton will have heard it being only yards from the referee.
Factor in the damage caused by Patton resulting in Faraimo being lead from the field and being unavailable for at least one more game due to concussion rules, which was far worse than Watts going forehead to forehead with Crosby.
If Watts had genuinely wanted to injury an opponent with a head butt, he would have butted him on the nose or at least in the face (if you want an example of this I seem to remember an incident between Steve Hampson and Gary Freeman in a GB v NZ game in the late 80's, now that was a head butt).'"
i reckon the clenched fist was more for trying to knock the ball out of his grasp rather than knock him out, bear in mind dec's a fairly small halfback against a bloody big winger. I've seen defence for other offences in the past where they've stated smaller players have tried to be aggressive standing up against opposition forwards, that's had varying degrees of success.
Very interested to read the notes from the comittee
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"i reckon the clenched fist was more for trying to knock the ball out of his grasp rather than knock him out, bear in mind dec's a fairly small halfback against a bloody big winger. I've seen defence for other offences in the past where they've stated smaller players have tried to be aggressive standing up against opposition forwards, that's had varying degrees of success.
Very interested to read the notes from the comittee'"
and here we are
Quote DEC PATTON - WARRINGTON
HULL FC V WARRINGTON WOLVES - SUPER LEAGUE
RANGE OF RECOMMENDED SANCTIONS IN RELATION TO CHARGED GRADE* :
3-5
DETAILS OF CHARGE / REASON FOR NF :
Rule -15.1 (b) Detail – High Tackle - Intentional – clenched fist – intent to make contact with head Grade - D
DECISION:
Charge
INCIDENT:
High tackle in the 47th minute (Faraimo)
PLEA:
Guilty - Challenging the grading of the offence
SUMMARY OF CM'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE CHARGE / EVIDENCE:
Following a Match Review Panel meeting held on 5th March 2018, you are charged with misconduct for a breach of Law 15.1(b) during the above Match. The Panel reviewed an incident which occurred in approximately the 47th minute of the above Match. You were dismissed following the incident. In the Panel’s opinion while attempting to tackle you made contact with the head of your opponent (Bureta Faraimo). The Panel believed that your actions were unnecessary and had the potential to cause your opponent injury. In accordance with the RFL’s On Field Sentencing Guidelines, the Panel consider that such offence is a Grade D offence (Intentional- clenched fist intent to make contact with the head). In accordance with the On Field Sentencing Guidelines, the normal suspension range for such offence is 3 – 5 matches.
SUMMARY OF PLAYER'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE CHARGE / EVIDENCE:
The player is challenging the grading of the offence. Head Coach Steve Price representing the player states that it is accepted that the player’s fist is clenched when making the tackle. Mr Price does go onto say however that as pointed out within the still picture provided that Mr Patton’s arm is going down in an attempt to wrap up the ball and his left foot is planted on the ground. There is no intent to injure the player although Mr Price accepts that contact has been made to the head. The player states that he has seen his opponent a break and has gone to lock the ball up and unfortunately has made contact with his opponent’s head. There was certainly no intent to injure. The player states he was unaware of where the ball is when making the tackle as he is coming from slightly behind his opponent.
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Guilty
REASON FOR DECISION:
The Tribunal have viewed the footage and are satisfied that the offence has been graded correctly. The Tribunal state that the contact was going upwards before it went downwards and that the player’s feet were off the ground at the point of contact. The Tribunal do not believe that there was an intention to wrap the ball up and the opponent is blindsided when contact is made. The opponent does not at any time stop to break his fall after contact, indicative of losing consciousness. The Tribunal conclude that this was an intentional act under the guidelines.
SUMMARY OF CM'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE APPROPRIATE SANCTION
The Match Review Panel state that within the guidelines set out, a concussive injury should be an aggravating factor which occurred in this instance.
SUMMARY OF PLAYER'S SUBMISSIONS ON THE APPROPRIATE SANCTION
The player is remorseful for his actions and that this was totally out of character. He is a good role model within the game and believes that the incident was not intentional, but will accept the findings of the Tribunal.
AGGRAVATING FACTORS
The player has 2 incidents of disciplinary on his record, including a striking incident.
REASONS FOR DECISION
The Tribunal give the player credit for his show of remorse, plea of guilt and his previous good character, albeit he has an incident of tripping on his record only last year. The Tribunal note however the injury sustained by his opponent, whereby he will have to miss at least one fixture. This was a very serious case of misconduct and even with the player’s show of remorse and plea of guilt, the Tribunal feel that a 5 match suspension is appropriate on this occasion together with a £500 fine.
SUSPENSION
5 matches
FINE
£500'"
Well, they've set the bar now haven't they. i think its a bit harsh to say he's got previous on his record for striking as that was for tripping.
Ah well.
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| Slight contradiction to say [i"provided that Mr Patton’s arm is going down in an attempt to wrap up the ball"[/i, but then later [i"The player states he was unaware of where the ball is when making the tackle" [/i
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"i reckon the clenched fist was more for trying to knock the ball out of his grasp rather than knock him out, bear in mind dec's a fairly small halfback against a bloody big winger. I've seen defence for other offences in the past where they've stated smaller players have tried to be aggressive standing up against opposition forwards, that's had varying degrees of success.
Very interested to read the notes from the comittee'"
Before Id seen the verdict, The clenched fist issue is not relevant when its the inside of the elbow / bicep area which clatters Faraimo's jaw. The Still pic which is on the BBC website and this thread shows Pattons fist so far away from the ball it would be laughable to suggest its any attempt to knock the ball out.
But, I know quote the Warrington coach
"Mr Price does go onto say however that as pointed out within the still picture provided that Mr Patton’s arm is going down in an attempt to wrap up the ball and his left foot is planted on the ground."
If Pattons arm is in a downward motion, then it must have been a windmill type action to end up in the position it is.
The verdict basically concludes that Mr Prices is lying.
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| Quote ="Karen"No he doesn't, he has 2 previous incidents on his record hence getting the higher of the possible number of bans.
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Fair enough Karen, I'll move him up to 4.
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| patton was definitely intending to give faraimo a good crack with his arm. You don't try and effect a tackle with a clenched fist
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Can't really argue with either IMO.
=#FF0000Sinfield got 2 games for an even more innocuous butt on Luke Dorn a few years back, throw in Watts' previous and 3's not inconsistent with that.
And although Patten's 5 games might have been deemed harsh a few years ago it's now pretty much the case that tackles that are malicious, dangerous, illegal and result in injury are likely to attract that kind of response from the RFL.
I would like to see a system where one of those games was held in reserve for the next time the teams met, as it's unfair that the offended-against team's rivals should benefit. That said, having seen Patton's performance before his dismissal you'd probably prefer that he did play. Whereas Wire might prefer it if Watts didn't.'"
Correct there mate, I'm a Cas fan and seriously Sinfield merely brushed his forehead against Dorn's cheek more in frustration than anything else. On the other hand when you look at Lockers decapitation of Annikin you have to ask why Patton got 5. Maybe cos he doesn't play for Wigan.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Before Id seen the verdict, The clenched fist issue is not relevant when its the inside of the elbow / bicep area which clatters Faraimo's jaw. The Still pic which is on the BBC website and this thread shows Pattons fist so far away from the ball it would be laughable to suggest its any attempt to knock the ball out.
But, I know quote the Warrington coach
"Mr Price does go onto say however that as pointed out within the still picture provided that Mr Patton’s arm is going down in an attempt to wrap up the ball and his left foot is planted on the ground."
If Pattons arm is in a downward motion, then it must have been a windmill type action to end up in the position it is.
The verdict basically concludes that Mr Prices is lying.'"
Patton springs up on to his toe on the left foot and his right foot is completely off the ground a split second before that actual still photo, in other words if he was doing what Price says he's doing his feet do not leave the ground, he's a lying bstd and Patton shot is a disgrace.
Can't believe Radford is defending Patton
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Patton springs up on to his toe on the left foot and his right foot is completely off the ground a split second before that actual still photo, in other words if he was doing what Price says he's doing his feet do not leave the ground, he's a lying bstd and Patton shot is a disgrace.
Can't believe Radford is defending Patton
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I think this is why Radford actually carries a fair amount of respect with the other coaches, he will not slag off the opposition (irrespective of being given the opportunity to) and prefers to focus on his own players.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"I think this is why Radford actually carries a fair amount of respect with the other coaches, he will not slag off the opposition (irrespective of being given the opportunity to) and prefers to focus on his own players.'"
Radford tells it how it is, happy to have been proven wrong these last few seasons.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"
Can't believe Radford is defending Patton
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You whining about Radford yet again, who'd have thunk it?
Get over yourself and stop bitching like a little fooking girl.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Patton springs up on to his toe on the left foot and his right foot is completely off the ground a split second before that actual still photo, in other words if he was doing what Price says he's doing his feet do not leave the ground, he's a lying bstd and Patton shot is a disgrace.
Can't believe Radford is defending Patton
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I don't think he is defending him as much as refusing to be drawn. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by coming out and having a go at Patton. Just be diplomatic and keep in everyones good books.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I don't think he is defending him as much as refusing to be drawn. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by coming out and having a go at Patton. Just be diplomatic and keep in everyones good books.'"
Exactly. I'd have been more disappointed if he'd come out and given him a serve. What's done is done and the punishment has been handed down. Time to move on.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"You whining about Radford yet again, who'd have thunk it?
Get over yourself and stop bitching like a little fooking girl.'"
Don't be dissing girls. To whinge like that takes a fully grown man baby.
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| Quote ="Karen"Exactly. I'd have been more disappointed if he'd come out and given him a serve. What's done is done and the punishment has been handed down. Time to move on.'"
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| Quote ="Punos"Masi Masi Masi
What a strong performance tonight on his first start, play like that each week and Watts better watch out.'"
Thought he struggled a bit in his first stint but very good in his 2nd. Will be some player in 4 or 5 years time
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| defo struggled in first stint, but 2nd looked a real handful, lane ran hard and was impressed with logan, abdull 1st class, everybody he brought in played well, cert got strength in depth,
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| Thought Green and Masi were excellent tonight
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| Need to come up with a song for masi to the um bongo song tune
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Need to come up with a song for masi to the um bongo song tune'"
Just wow!
It's like being time warped back to the 70s when people thought your racist crud was acceptable!
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Just wow!
It's like being time warped back to the 70s when people thought your racist crud was acceptable!'"
wtf? How is that racist? matongo rhymes with umbongo. Stop trying to score cheap points off me. it won't work
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"wtf? How is that racist? matongo rhymes with umbongo. Stop tryirng to score cheap points off me. it won't work'"
It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that the song rhymes with his name.
Out of order to call someone racist
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