I wax lyrical - but there's an awful lot of truth in where any team finishes 9th

So how many points do we think are needed to avoid the MPG scrap?

give over

20 points is about the cutoff usually I think.
I still don't think we are in danger of the crappy 8s. We'll finish 6th or 7th and have a pointless Super 8s I suspect.
Time to focus our efforts on a 3rd straight cup.

We probably need twenty points to make the eights, maybe twenty-two this year if it's going to be a closer league. So another four wins from ten.

We probably need to win at least twelve from seventeen to make the top four.

Another 8 points is challenging given we've just lost to the bottom side. Top 4 is out of the question, hope for another good cup run.

mrs b stop be naughty, we wont finish in the bottom 4

It's a possibility. Especially if Kelly's out.

no we wont mrs b, even with Kelly out, but don't think we will be top 4 either, 5/6 this year and another CC final

That's your opinion. Mine is we've a lot of work to do justify that confidence.

9th place is currently 8 points behind us. That means at least one of the bottom 4 has to win 4/5 games more than us, that’s not even taking into account the teams that currently sit 7th & 8th needing to jump us too. We’re a poorer team this year for sure but the bottom four look extra poor.

I hope you're right. To me with the disruption we've had and a couple of disastrous performances sealing safety and a decent cup run would salvage something. Let's not forget that Leeds and Warrington have both been in there recently.

Theoretically possible yes, the actuality is that we simply won't be anwhere near the 8s, you have completely lost the plot!


We are currently still 5th, if Leeds win we'll be 6th, to be in the bottom 4 Widnes, Hull KR, Catalans and Hudds would all need to win 3 or 4 games more than we do over the same period AND improve their points difference.
Either you're a desperately depressive doom and gloom merchant or have no grasp as to how much the bottom 4 teams have to catch up and overhaul us nor how the points system works, frankly I think it's both.
We will not be outside the top 8, the thread should be locked.

gotta agree

Not bad considering some on here think I'm on the club's payroll I'm so positive.



You are entitled to an opinion of course, but so am I. We are not safe in the Top 8, have lost Watts and possibly Kelly, Manu, Fash, Abdull long term. An attitude of arrogance and entitlement to safety is not appropriate IMO. That's an opinion. Fortunately you don't have the censure of these boards to stifle relevant debate.

not arrogance mrs b, just my opinion

That's the closest I've felt you to anger.

You weren't here when Bowden knocked on



Seriously I'm having a lovely day. Girl's home from uni, we've all just had a fab takeaway and I'm going to make Cosmopolitans in a bit. The Letchworth chap trying to stifle debate though presenting opinion as fact and demanding alternative opinions are locked is just standard operating procedure from him.

well we agree on Bowden mrs B, my language was iffy to say the least

Was similar when Abdull booted the ball out on the full Thorman style. But apparently he'd fractured his collarbone as well, so feel bad about that now.

My tv controls had been slung across the living room well before then.



Bumpy just being Bumpy, innit.

How about it gets locked once we are certain to be in the top eight? It's very likely to happen but not yet confirmed so until then why can't it be discussed? It'd be like locking a match thread before a game ends.

The Original Oak didn't know what had hit them at that point!!

The reverse looks to be the case in terms of the bottom four this year. Halfway through the main season, give or take, and us, Widnes, Hudds and Catalans are on target for about 10 to 14 points over 23 rounds.

One of us [imight[/i enjoy a significant upturn in form and results. But I can’t see Hudds winning more than 7 of their remaining 10 and while Catalans might grow in confidence now, even tonight they were scratchy against a below par Hull. I’m not sure we and Widnes have the power and quality to get a meaningful number of wins against the better teams. Hopefully Rovers will start proving me wrong tomorrow, but Widnes building up a decent lead over 40 minutes yesterday and then losing it in 5 was a the sort of thing we’ve grown used to on those occasions we raise our game to avoid a humping vs Wigan et al.

Well yes. But even then it should be an O/T one in that scenario with things like the appetite to promote Toronto to discuss.