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| IMO! When Hadley comes back would have him.or washy starting. Other on bench and use as interchange till Houghton's back
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| Calf tear is a cm a week so hopefully not a real bad one.
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| If it was up to me I would start Washbrook against Wire and give Litten 20 minutes of the bench either side of half time (if everything goes to plan re injuries etc). We can assess from there whether hes ready for more game time or whether Hadley takes his role the week after.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"houghton definitely subbed in one of our games. maybe saints then'"
Houghton was subbed in the Widnes game at the K Com.
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| Give Litten a game. Long term we want to have the conveyor belt of homegrown youth to 1st team players coming through.
Wigan just throw them in.
Leeds a few years back had endless young kids coming through.
Surrounded by Ellis & Mini there's no time like the present to start building up Litten's exposure to SL. Lets face it Houghton might not get injured again for a long time based on his previous injury record.
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| Quote ="Bomber's tash"Give Litten a game. Long term we want to have the conveyor belt of homegrown youth to 1st team players coming through.
Wigan just throw them in.
Leeds a few years back had endless young kids coming through.
Surrounded by Ellis & Mini there's no time like the present to start building up Litten's exposure to SL. Lets face it Houghton might not get injured again for a long time based on his previous injury record.'"
I agree give him a run.He wont be doing many one on one tackles
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| Quote ="Bomber's tash"Give Litten a game. Long term we want to have the conveyor belt of homegrown youth to 1st team players coming through.
Wigan just throw them in.
Leeds a few years back had endless young kids coming through.
Surrounded by Ellis & Mini there's no time like the present to start building up Litten's exposure to SL. Lets face it Houghton might not get injured again for a long time based on his previous injury record.'"
Wigan don't just throw em in.. never have. Not in the key positions. Williams tomkins powell. All phased in steady. I can't recall last 18 year old hooker been chucked in anywhere. Position is too hard
Only few weeks ago horne talking about the physical work he needs to be upto level of SL . Couple of times in offseason to. I'd be suprised to see him tbh
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"Wigan don't just throw em in.. never have. Not in the key positions. Williams tomkins powell. All phased in steady. I can't recall last 18 year old hooker been chucked in anywhere. Position is too hard
Only few weeks ago horne talking about the physical work he needs to be upto level of SL . Couple of times in offseason to. I'd be suprised to see him tbh'"
He is 19, but I see your point and you are right about Wigan and Leeds, they are usually 21 before they break through.
I think the fact Radford has mentions him, might give him a chance, long term there is no way he could last, but maybe short term he could do a job off the bench.
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| Jayden Brailey at the Sharks is expected to play 60+ each week, he played 80 in the first 3 games and the WCC. He's only 20 so I don't see why Litten can't do 20-30 off the bench for a few weeks
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| Quote ="Baxendale"Jayden Brailey at the Sharks is expected to play 60+ each week, he played 80 in the first 3 games and the WCC. He's only 20 so I don't see why Litten can't do 20-30 off the bench for a few weeks'"
Not for much longer. Just signed Segeyaro.
But I agree Litten should be able to do a stint off the bench.
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| Wasn't Houghton 19 when he debuted?
Reading Horne's and Radford's comments about Litten I don't think they see him as a complete player yet but that he could do a job off the bench. That's all we need for now.
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| Have we found out how long he is out for?
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| Quote ="davey37"Not for much longer. Just signed Segeyaro.
But I agree Litten should be able to do a stint off the bench.'"
Even with them signing Segeyaro he'll still be doing best part of 60 mins a game. Unless they're very physically underdeveloped (unusual in this day and age) then a 19 year old should be able to do a stint from the bench IMO
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| Quote ="Baxendale"Jayden Brailey at the Sharks is expected to play 60+ each week, he played 80 in the first 3 games and the WCC. He's only 20 so I don't see why Litten can't do 20-30 off the bench for a few weeks'"
Jayden Brailey is not Jez Litten. It is ridiculous to assume all players all players develop at the same rate and time scale. Its the same as saying that because Bateman and Currie played at a high level as teenagers then all back row forwards should follow this path. As has been pointed out most Wigan youngsters actually (and very sensibly BTW) get their first proper run out in their early 20's.
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| Quote ="Erik the not red"Jayden Brailey is not Jez Litten. It is ridiculous to assume all players all players develop at the same rate and time scale. Its the same as saying that because Bateman and Currie played at a high level as teenagers then all back row forwards should follow this path. As has been pointed out most Wigan youngsters actually (and very sensibly BTW) get their first proper run out in their early 20's.'"
I'm not saying all players develop at the same rate, if I was then I'd be saying Litten could do 80 minutes now. Clearly theres a big difference between 80 mins regularly and 20-30 from the bench to fill in for an injured player!
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| Quote ="Baxendale"Even with them signing Segeyaro he'll still be doing best part of 60 mins a game. Unless they're very physically underdeveloped (unusual in this day and age) then a 19 year old should be able to do a stint from the bench IMO'"
He's not gonna do more minutes that segeyaro is tho. Still, this kid is 1 of the few examples of kids this age playing 1St grade at hooker. All depends on the individual. A tall slim build like Litten is gonna take time to fill properly so he's equipped for the demands of SL in probably the hardest position on the field.
I'm up for him playing some mins this year. Under open terms. Not cos we're in a pickle. Wire in their circumstances are desperate and probaby look to target are weak areas for joy rather than when they're going well and focusing more on what they do. Think it would be like sending him out with a target on him
Also the comparison you make. A years a long time in building your body at that age. In oz at 20 like for like if they've been in around 1st team environment since 17ish the oz counterparts due to shorter seasons longer off seasons probably got 4 to 5 months of preason/bodybuilding extra in
By time you factor in 2 sessions a day training 4 day a week at least/supplemention/food intake it's massive a year.
All this said if he plays good luck to him. As I say I'm a bit dubious of the 2 or 3 press bits in recent times saying he needs time physically to suddenly been bigged up to play cos Danny H is out.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"He's not gonna do more minutes that segeyaro is tho. Still, this kid is 1 of the few examples of kids this age playing 1St grade at hooker. All depends on the individual. A tall slim build like Litten is gonna take time to fill properly so he's equipped for the demands of SL in probably the hardest position on the field.
I'm up for him playing some mins this year. Under open terms. Not cos we're in a pickle. Wire in their circumstances are desperate and probaby look to target are weak areas for joy rather than when they're going well and focusing more on what they do. Think it would be like sending him out with a target on him
Also the comparison you make. A years a long time in building your body at that age. In oz at 20 like for like if they've been in around 1st team environment since 17ish the oz counterparts due to shorter seasons longer off seasons probably got 4 to 5 months of preason/bodybuilding extra in
By time you factor in 2 sessions a day training 4 day a week at least/supplemention/food intake it's massive a year.
All this said if he plays good luck to him. As I say I'm a bit dubious of the 2 or 3 press bits in recent times saying he needs time physically to suddenly been bigged up to play cos Danny H is out.'"
Theres been plenty of hookers in the NRL playing at 19/20, Lichaa, Levi, Brailey, Cherrington, Liddle. Anyway all of this is moot as I'm sure Radford and co will know whats best for Litten/the Team as it stands
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| Reading this Radford says its a bit too soon for Litten. Looking like Washy at hooker and others to jump in when he needs a rest?
[urlhttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/hull-fc/lee-radford-expecting-hull-fc-s-danny-houghton-to-prove-he-s-made-of-steel-1-8460034[/url
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| Quote ="Soul Boy"Reading this Radford says its a bit too soon for Litten. Looking like Washy at hooker and others to jump in when he needs a rest?
[urlhttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/hull-fc/lee-radford-expecting-hull-fc-s-danny-houghton-to-prove-he-s-made-of-steel-1-8460034[/url'"
Have to trust the coach, if he isn't playing Litten i'd go for
Shaul
Micheals
Fonua
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Kelly
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Bowden
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| Quote ="Dave K."Have to trust the coach, if he isn't playing Litten i'd go for
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Keeping his cards close to his chest but Radford has said he cant see Carlos and Talanoa participating this weekend.
[urlhttp://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/hull-fc-coach-lee-radford-keeps-card-close-to-chest-on-injury-front/story-30236436-detail/story.html[/url
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| Losing Houghton is a massive loss, after all, doesn't he account for half the tackles of rhe whole team, give some of the best offloads and some of the best line breaks? He's absolute class. Without him you're gonna struggle. Oh hang on, you've got Warrington next, you'll be OK. Be embarresing losing to them right now.....
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| Quote ="Soul Boy"Keeping his cards close to his chest but Radford has said he cant see Carlos and Talanoa participating this weekend.
[urlhttp://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/hull-fc-coach-lee-radford-keeps-card-close-to-chest-on-injury-front/story-30236436-detail/story.html[/url'"
His reply on HFC live to a question on Danny Houghton injury was had a scan and no good.Nothing more so to me it looks like we will be without Danny for several more weeks.
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"Losing Houghton is a massive loss, after all, doesn't he account for half the tackles of rhe whole team, give some of the best offloads and some of the best line breaks? He's absolute class. Without him you're gonna struggle. Oh hang on, you've got Warrington next, you'll be OK. Be embarresing losing to them right now.....'"
Correct, we are a one man team. You best hope Lunt doesn't get injured eh? Could really spoil your chances of a million pound victory.
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| Not as embarrassing as spelling embarrassing incorrectly.......
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"Losing Houghton is a massive loss, after all, doesn't he account for half the tackles of rhe whole team, give some of the best offloads and some of the best line breaks? He's absolute class. Without him you're gonna struggle. Oh hang on, you've got Warrington next, you'll be OK. Be embarresing losing to them right now.....'"
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