|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 7401 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Don't bite doom
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 7401 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Even though ur right
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2152 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2020 | May 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"You use the work 'fact' an awful lot, however, you seem unable to distinguish between fact and your own viewpoint.
Having your own viewpoint is fine, but passing that viewpoint off as fact, or something that is entirely subjective as a fact is what gets peoples backs up, and you do it time and time again. Remember the thread a couple of weeks ago where you accused Radford of being a bully and rattled off all your 'facts'? Then you went into hiding for a few days.
Just be humble & don't state something as fact that isn't. This is a key trait of people who are close minded, not in possession of the full facts, unable to accept anyone else's opinion & that there may be other variables at play.'"
To be fair on Knocker, he's not wrong, just the way things have turned out with the signings, and westerman not been all that for us. Don't think anybody is that bothered
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 17898 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2020 | Aug 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"So posting fact and opinion is not allowed now?
however using abusive language toward another poster IS grounds for a mod to step in...it's also seemingly acceptable to continually abuse forum members and inflame threads by use of certain derogatory comment from certain posters because they are 'well known', but are basically throwing their dummies out because they disagree with facts and viewpoints.
All I want is the club to tell the truth, time and again the three protagonist's mentioned lied about the happenstance of Westerman leaving, deliberately misled fans regarding how much cap we had to spend when he went which left us with no cap space to sign anyone which proves that we were touting to offload Westerman all along, otherwise how could we have got the signings under the cap that we had already confirmed BEFORE his 'official' sale went through.
If you can't fathom or accept that the club lied and lied again then that's your failing not mine and me bringing it up is not trolling in the least, it's highlighting an aspect of the club that is micturate poor and deceitful.
I'm looking forward to this season but I'm fed up of all the bull that the club come out with that is all smoke and mirrors and they quickly seem to forget the lies they spout only a few weeks/months previously.'"
Facts and opinions are perfectly fine, but libel isn't (AUP 1.2), so stating repeatedly as "fact" that the club and individuals in the club are liars is definitely not on. If you look at the AUP thread at the top of the forum, in bold in the first post, it says
"Posting anything potentially libellous is against the AUP and the admins and moderators will strictly enforce this rule because the future of this site depends on it. We will not let a few idiots spoil it for everyone else.
This is a final warning, anyone who deliberately posts anything unsubstantiated and defamatory against a club or player poses a liability to this site so risks being banned without warning."
There will be no more warnings - and that's for everyone.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1891 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| So... Lee Smith. Anyone have any (genuine) idea what's going on? Would be a shame to miss out on him, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 5392 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Chris28"Facts and opinions are perfectly fine, but libel isn't (AUP 1.2), so stating repeatedly as "fact" that the club and individuals in the club are liars is definitely not on. If you look at the AUP thread at the top of the forum, in bold in the first post, it says
"Posting anything potentially libellous is against the AUP and the admins and moderators will strictly enforce this rule because the future of this site depends on it. We will not let a few idiots spoil it for everyone else.
This is a final warning, anyone who deliberately posts anything unsubstantiated and defamatory against a club or player poses a liability to this site so risks being banned without warning."
There will be no more warnings - and that's for everyone.'"
Except the facts have being substantiated, I outlined what was said by all three in previous threads and was rubbished despite what is patently obvious given what we know from the fact we are not able to get Smith signed due to salary cap limit.
If you and others want to ignore what has actually happened (i.e. facts) and that the club have deliberately midled fans thats your problem but it certainly is not libel.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2481 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2011 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"So posting fact and opinion is not allowed now?
however using abusive language toward another poster IS grounds for a mod to step in...it's also seemingly acceptable to continually abuse forum members and inflame threads by use of certain derogatory comment from certain posters because they are 'well known', but are basically throwing their dummies out because they disagree with facts and viewpoints.
=#FF0000All I want is the club to tell the truth, time and again the three protagonist's mentioned lied about the happenstance of Westerman leaving, deliberately misled fans regarding how much cap we had to spend when he went which left us with no cap space to sign anyone which proves that we were touting to offload Westerman all along, otherwise how could we have got the signings under the cap that we had already confirmed BEFORE his 'official' sale went through.
If you can't fathom or accept that the club lied and lied again then that's your failing not mine and me bringing it up is not trolling in the least, it's highlighting an aspect of the club that is micturate poor and deceitful.
I'm looking forward to this season but I'm fed up of all the bull that the club come out with that is all smoke and mirrors and they quickly seem to forget the lies they spout only a few weeks/months previously.'"
I've tried to be sympathetic with your arguments and can understand to a degree what your trying to say but "The Cap" is live. When the signings for this season were announced, Westy was still an Hull FC player and as such his wages would have counted on the cap as would all the signings announced???? When Westerman,s sale to Wire was finally declared, there must have been some cap space left??? You do not know for sure the workings of the Club, you are not privy to meetings, you are not Mystic Bumpy. You cannot justify everything you diatribe by saying "FACT". You cannot call anyone a liar unless these "LIES" are spoken to your face in front of witnesses. Please stop quoting facts and defaming my club. By all means support my club from afar but do not comment on my club unless you know your facts.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2152 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2020 | May 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Armavinit"I've tried to be sympathetic with your arguments and can understand to a degree what your trying to say but "The Cap" is live. When the signings for this season were announced, Westy was still an Hull FC player and as such his wages would have counted on the cap as would all the signings announced???? When Westerman,s sale to Wire was finally declared, there must have been some cap space left??? You do not know for sure the workings of the Club, you are not privy to meetings, you are not Mystic Bumpy. You cannot justify everything you diatribe by saying "FACT". You cannot call anyone a liar unless these "LIES" are spoken to your face in front of witnesses. Please stop quoting facts and defaming my club. By all means support my club from afar but do not comment on my club unless you know your facts.'"
Adam?
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2481 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2011 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Adam?'"
No, just a fan of my club for 55+ years.
Played on Gordon St. end, after getting in free at half time, in the 50's. "FACT"
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 7452 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Armavinit"No, just a fan of my club for 55+ years.
Played on Gordon St. end, after getting in free at half time, in the 50's. "FACT"'"
I can empathise with that I was at the other end in at three quarter time playing cowboys and Indians with the Airlie Street boys!!
Back onto Smith does anyone else think, as I was wondering, that perhaps the elongated silence and the fact that despite us having several players that could be shipped out, no one has moved (or perhaps wants to move because they don't have to if they are contracted), that the whole Smith thing may have been abandoned for either cap or finance reasons? Its all gone extremely quiet.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 1376 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Anyone going out at this stage will be lucky to find a club with both cap and finance spare and that want the player offered so it won't be that easy to offload I guess especially as it's either someone we don't want , need or is inexperienced and we'll then want them back.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 73 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2017 | Jun 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Signed elsewhere.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 17898 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2020 | Aug 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Johnny Headline"Signed elsewhere.'"
Proof?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 17898 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2020 | Aug 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Except the facts have being substantiated, I outlined what was said by all three in previous threads and was rubbished despite what is patently obvious given what we know from the fact we are not able to get Smith signed due to salary cap limit.
If you and others want to ignore what has actually happened (i.e. facts) and that the club have deliberately midled fans thats your problem but it certainly is not libel.'"
Final word on this. The wording I quoted says "potentially libellous" and the last time anyone looked, it was for judges and courts to decided what was libel, not the person making the point.
Two other points you will have noted after reading the AUP thread at the top of the board (you did read it didn't you?)
1. The very first sentence says "This is a fan-run site, we do not have a team of solicitors, and none of us involved in running this site are willing to risk it being taken to court"
2. "This site costs several thousands of pounds per year to run and these rules have been developed over several years in order to protect both the site and its members. Nobody makes any money from RLFANS, we are all just volunteers who give up our time and energy for nothing other than to support our game.
There are two options for anyone using the site: either follow the rules, whether you like them or not, or stay away".
That should be pretty clear. Anything considered potentially libellous will be removed, along with (potentially) the poster.
Now, Lee Smith....
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 73 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2017 | Jun 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Wait for an announcement.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 3460 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2018 | Jul 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Johnny Headline"Signed elsewhere.'"
No one could blame him IF true. Good luck to him if it is.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2212 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Great stuff! We don't have to read Bumpy's trash anymore, and we're not wasting a wage on Lee Smith. Double bonus!
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 7827 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2014 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Raggytash"Great stuff! We don't have to read Bumpy's trash anymore, and we're not wasting a wage on Lee Smith. Double bonus!'"
Far better option than Yeaman
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 25900 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I will be quite pleased if he doesn't sign, not a bad player, but would rather give game time to one of the younger players, who have far more potential.
You would have thought they would have got him signed before the season starts if it was going to happen.
I would still look to loan out some players though, for game-time and it would give is some money to play with if we have injury problems later in the week.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 73 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2017 | Jun 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Signed at Leigh 2 year deal announced at 3.30pm
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 714 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2017 | Aug 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Signed for Leigh
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 7401 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Good luck to him. Good squad player but no more
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5913 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Didnt need him anyway
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 4812 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Dave K."I will be quite pleased if he doesn't sign, not a bad player, but would rather give game time to one of the younger players, who have far more potential.
You would have thought they would have got him signed before the season starts if it was going to happen.
I would still look to loan out some players though, for game-time and it would give is some money to play with if we have injury problems later in the week.'"
Nail on the head Dave
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 4273 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2013 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Not disappointed. Save the cap space in case we need a specialist hooker during the season. Houghton's non injury record is fantastic but he's not indestructible.
|
|
|
|
|