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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"Isn't some of Horne's time taken up with the academy?'"
unsure, you may well be right. But with Radford, Last and Horne, with senior players in Pryce/Ellis etc. we should have enough going for us (and recently, it seems we have)
I can't see whether Webster is a good or bad choice, one thing I can say is it wont do any harm.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"I can understand your point in one way, but at all levels players are coached by people who have won less. Can Pryce see everything thats going on from the angle he has on the pitch / training ground ?
I wonder how many Ozzies learn nothing from a second rate winger , yet he still seems to be in demand coaching wise'"
What did all of those man united superstars think being coach by some failed scottish ex pro for 25 years or whatever it was?
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| Surely the attacking coaching is all about structure, organisation and making sure everyone knows where tehy're supposed to be and when. The halfs will be integral to that but they don't coach it
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Surely the attacking coaching is all about structure, organisation and making sure everyone knows where tehy're supposed to be and when. The halfs will be integral to that but they don't coach it'"
Not sure why anybody needs coaching it. If I'm running a play as a half back I want the players where I want them, not some structure somebody else has put in to place. Isn't organising part of the HB's job description?
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| Quote ="*1865*"Not sure why anybody needs coaching it. If I'm running a play as a half back I want the players where I want them, not some structure somebody else has put in to place. Isn't organising part of the HB's job description?'"
For one you are bob on
We have thrown £300k into the halves this season, to buy this "game management" everyone was wetting their kegs about.
Its working, the HB's are doing it. You watch us bring in a one game failure and it go to shiite
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| Quote ="*1865*"Not sure why anybody needs coaching it. If I'm running a play as a half back I want the players where I want them, not some structure somebody else has put in to place. Isn't organising part of the HB's job description?'"
You're probably right there. That's why you'll find no one in sport uses coaches of any sort!!!!
The very best of the best in all sports are constantly coached and even change coaches whilst at the top, yet you think players that have had a couple of good games are above that.
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| Quote ="barham red"You're probably right there. That's why you'll find no one in sport uses coaches of any sort!!!!
The very best of the best in all sports are constantly coached and even change coaches whilst at the top, yet you think players that have had a couple of good games are above that.'"
Well, you win the award for 'best at missing the point'.
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| Quote ="dayvoz"Possibly, but you said it in one sentence.
Too many waffling management cliche's for me.'"
Management waffle, cliches?
You mean explaining why doing X can improve things, it's the job of the manager to make things work as best as they can with the tools/people they have.
You use everything possible to make it so, if you don't look at options and avenues even outside of your field you're less likely to succeed, if you can't trust your workers and gain their respect again you're less likely to succeed.
On the basis of your limited response especially the first one you appear not to understand much of anything with regard to leadership and being successful, that's fine but at least have the courtesy to give at least a little explanation as to what you don't 'get' or why you disagree with what I said.
I can point you in the right direction to some resources that might help if you'd like?
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| Quote ="*1865*"Not sure why anybody needs coaching it. If I'm running a play as a half back I want the players where I want them, not some structure somebody else has put in to place. Isn't organising part of the HB's job description?'"
That's why you never got past branny U11's
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| Quote ="barham red"You're probably right there. That's why you'll find no one in sport uses coaches of any sort!!!!
The very best of the best in all sports are constantly coached and even change coaches whilst at the top, yet you think players that have had a couple of good games are above that.'"
Yeah, rory mcilroy knows how to hit a golf ball so I doubt he even bothers with a coach any more
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| Yeah, because signing a coach for the sake of it is the answer. Not needed and has a rubbish record.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Yeah, rory mcilroy knows how to hit a golf ball so I doubt he even bothers with a coach any more'"
Exactly. Might as well scrap the term head coach and just have a team picker
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| Quote ="*1865*"Yeah, because signing a coach for the sake of it is the answer. Not needed and has a rubbish record.'"
Fair enough but your previous post was still a crock of sheite
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Fair enough but your previous post was still a crock of sheite'"
No it wasn't, it stated that I don't see the point in employing a coach to do a job I'd rather the HB did.
I earlier stated that if he was going to do more and look at the whole structure i'd want someone a lot better.
People on here pi$$ed themselves laughing at Wire for employing Agar and look what's happened! Now we're signing the lesser half of the dynamic duo and it's a good move???
Baffling, just like when people wanted Goulding, then Cookie.
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| Quote ="*1865*"No it wasn't, it stated that I don't see the point in employing a coach to do a job I'd rather the HB did.
I earlier stated that if he was going to do more and look at the whole structure i'd want someone a lot better.
People on here pi$$ed themselves laughing at Wire for employing Agar and look what's happened! Now we're signing the lesser half of the dynamic duo and it's a good move???
Baffling, just like when people wanted Goulding, then Cookie.'"
You said it was pointless having a coach which is a gonads statement. You've now changed that to saying the wrong coach which is obvious. HB'S won't coach themselves as will no other sportsman, they need outside input. It's pretty basic in term of sporting management
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| Quote ="barham red"You said it was pointless having a coach'"
No I didn't.
Quote ="barham red"You've now changed that to saying the wrong coach'"
No I haven't.
Quote ="barham red"HB'S won't coach themselves as will no other sportsman, they need outside input. It's pretty basic in term of sporting management'"
Again, you just haven't understood what I said.
Go back to page 8 and read, this time read it in the context of the post I was replying to.
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| Why don't we see what role and responsibility Webster will take on before becoming dismissive if indeed he comes at all.
I can't believe some on here think just because we are on a decent run and have an experienced half in Pryce we don't need to try and continually improve and evolve and if it is perceived that his appointment will help that then they must be some reasoning to it.
Just because Pryce has experience and has won medals it doesn't make him able to become a successful coach.
Just a thought but why don't we give the guy a chance first before some shoot it down in flames.
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| Quote ="Battering Ram"Why don't we see what role and responsibility Webster will take on before becoming dismissive if indeed he comes at all.
I can't believe some on here think just because we are on a decent run and have an experienced half in Pryce we don't need to try and continually improve and evolve and if it is perceived that his appointment will help that then they must be some reasoning to it.
Just because Pryce has experience and has won medals it doesn't make him able to become a successful coach.
Just a thought but why don't we give the guy a chance first before some shoot it down in flames.'"
Who said we don't need to continually improve?
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| Quote ="*1865*"Who said we don't need to continually improve?'"
No one has and I never said they had in my post did I? merely said we had to look at improving and evolving.
I can't believe you're being negative about it without having witnessed if it will work first.
And as for what will JW teach LP probably not a lot but has others have said he will be able to assist and develop other players within the squad it's just about looking at the bigger picture.
Just because Webster has not been a superstar player he was still a good hb in his day and just because he was not successful at Wakefield which is a poisoned chalice which ever way you look at it, it doesn't necessarily make him a bad coach.
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| Quote ="Battering Ram"No one has and I never said they had in my post did I? merely said we had to look at improving and evolving.
I can't believe you're being negative about it without having witnessed if it will work first.
And as for what will JW teach LP probably not a lot but has others have said he will be able to assist and develop other players within the squad it's just about looking at the bigger picture.
Just because Webster has not been a superstar player he was still a good hb in his day and just because he was not successful at Wakefield which is a poisoned chalice which ever way you look at it, it doesn't necessarily make him a bad coach.'"
Webster's been an assistant at Hull before. Done nothing then, done nothing since.
Seems a moot point now anyway, judging by Radford on blunderside he's as good as employed.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Do you have any insider knowledge on this or is it purely a guess?'"
No as I stated I strongly believe it. This is based on watching Hull FC's play over the past few weeks. As I stated Pryce and Min's body language at times before the recent run of form suggested to me that they were not happy with the way we were playing. Then we get a report that stated that LR had said he was releasing the shackles (why the hell they were in shackles in the first place is another debate). I believe this would have been as a result of consultation with senior members of the squad.
Its a belief I have based on watching the game for almost 40 years. No insider knowledge. I may be wrong, but I have no confidence in Lee Radford being able to devise attacking plays, other than the durge that we were served up prior to this current run.
All opinions and I'm happy for others to prove my theory wrong.
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| Quote ="Graham Richards".....but I have no confidence in Lee Radford being able to devise attacking plays......'"
Probably because he was made from the same mould as Paul Anderson, Chris Chester, Brian McDermott, Keiron Cunningham, Denis Betts and Shaun Wane.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Webster's been an assistant at Hull before. Done nothing then, done nothing since.
Seems a moot point now anyway, judging by Radford on blunderside he's as good as employed.'"
That's not exactly true, in his first season as assistant at Hull we finished 6th from12th previous year and again the play offs the year after.
He also made an instant improvement in a short space of time at Wakey last year and at Rovers.
Things certainly haven't gone well as a head coach this year at Wakey, but he deserves another chance at coaching IMO.
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| Quote ="*1865*"No it wasn't, it stated that I don't see the point in employing a coach to do a job I'd rather the HB did.
I earlier stated that if he was going to do more and look at the whole structure i'd want someone a lot better.
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It was. No way on earth can a half organise every player in the team on every attacking play. Why do teams bother training other than defence and fitness?
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| Quote ="barham red"You said it was pointless having a coach which is a gonads statement. You've now changed that to saying the wrong coach which is obvious. HB'S won't coach themselves as will no other sportsman, they need outside input. It's pretty basic in term of sporting management'"
He has previous for posting nonsense then arguing the toss. The only bonus is he then disappears for a few days
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