Indeed, I don't get the issue many have with Noble, he's a proven trophy winner and got Crusaders to the playoffs under difficult cirucmstances. Salford wasnt a success but in any sport simply buying in a whole new team never works (it took years for Man City to become a force despite the billions for example) and Harris hasn't done much better.

Pearson's a businessman , If your not getting the right returns on your investment then you make changes .

I've long been of the opinion that Noble has never been given due credit for his role in Wigan's success in this decade. Any successful enterprise needs sound foundations and Noble effectively put those in place at Wigan allowing Maguire & Wane to subsequently build on them.

I know Brian Noble isn't to everyone's taste, but I believe that given the scope and freedom to do his job, he would put an effective structure in place which will leave us in a far stronger position long term. This is what is required at our club.

We've changed owners, coaches and an endless raft of players since 2007 to no effect whatsoever. The general trend of the club remains one of a slow steady decline with each passing year. The only conclusion that anyone could possibly come to when reviewing the last seven years of Hull Fc is that the structure/set up of the club/company is inherently flawed, or do we seriously believe that all that is required is some magic super coach who will restore us in the space of twelve months with a wave of a magic wand. That is not about to happen any time soon. I know it, you know it, we all know it whether we belong on the apologist or antagonistic side of the argument (

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One thing that has always puzzled me about owners of sports clubs (and this isn't specifically aimed at Pearson) is that despite usually being successful businessmen in another field, their business acumen seems to desert them once they acquire said club.
To this end, they usually start making off the wall decisions (ie promoting people with no expeirence to a position of influence) which they would never even consider in another field of business. It's almost as if they leave the business practices which made them successful in the first place at the front door upon arrival at the club.

Agree this post unfortunately. We are still a long way off producing super league "real " quality stars. There are some good youngsters come along but doubt there any long term quality there.
Regards the coach whilst I would love him to succeed I am fast losing confidence in him. Friday night I predicted the second half collapse. They looked done in when they walked off the pitch.
Not fit enough, not strong enough i.e. even Clark not one of there biggest players was still going forward in the tackle, not aggressive enough. Green is prime example , big strapping lad and not an ounce aggression in him.

So Mr Pearson you have a lot to do yet before you have a top 4 team. For starters new coach and 3 big nasty props.

Agree this post unfortunately. We are still a long way off producing super league "real " quality stars. There are some good youngsters come along but doubt there any long term quality there.
Regards the coach whilst I would love him to succeed I am fast losing confidence in him. Friday night I predicted the second half collapse. They looked done in when they walked off the pitch.
Not fit enough, not strong enough i.e. even Clark not one of there biggest players was still going forward in the tackle, not aggressive enough. Green is prime example , big strapping lad and not an ounce aggression in him.

So Mr Pearson you have a lot to do yet before you have a top 4 team. For starters new coach and 3 big nasty props.

Personally I can see low attendances even f we scrape into the top 8.If we are 6/8 points behind the 4th place team after 23 rounds there is no way we are going to win 3 or 4 more games than the team that is 4th and people will realise that.

I've never understood the "I'm not going because we're not going to win" mentality.

Maybe someone can explain.

People want to be entertained and be made to feel happy for their buck, they dont want to be made to feel like theyed be better off throwing their money in the bin. Most rl supporters arnt loaded and only have a finite amount of disposable income so want to use it wisely. Spending it on FC is not very wise at present and hasnt been for years.

I forced myself to every home game last season never expecting a win but just to be at least entertained and supporting of gallant effort.
None of those 3 prerequisites were evident and so after suffering the dross decided not to renew my pass this season.
I've still attended every home game but now no longer have to force myself because I have a pass or waste taking a shift off from work.

So as said its not about winning all the time but at least leaving the ground entertained proud of the effort and buoyed for the next game.
Can you really say you feel like that?

As others have said people want to be entertained, also nothing builds crowds like a bit of hype, even a crucial bottom of the table clash with both sides out of form but relegation threatened can get a better crowd because there is hype/tension.

its going to be a long hard season, the flair just isn't in the squad for me, i thought the way trinity played the other night was superb, with ex FC players in the midst of it, we are a million miles from that type of rugby. we are going to be bottom 4 and in a dog fight.
In the pub last night with a friend who is a lifelong bulls fan, they are playing hunslet today. I am seriously concerned that we might be in the same position next year.

We're worse than ever with ball in hand. Any decent team would have been 20+ points up at half time against leeds. No pace, no structure in attack, non existent support play, no strike players. Unless things change quickly we'll be in the bottom 2 at the split. We obviously can't rely on defending teams out of the game

To this and all the other Noble fans out there, what has he achieved in the last 10 years that compels you to think he could do better better than the Hull FC coaches in that time (including Agar!)? Wigan were flagrantly cheating the salary cap during their great escape, even when they were poor they had a continual stream of excellent younger players coming through, their main problem at that time was all the best Wigan juniors ended up playing elsewhere. If Noble stopped the junior talent drain then a well done for that, but the dramatic improvement in their 1st teams play after his departure surely wasn't entirely coincidental. Crusaders - not bad but just scraping into the 8 was exactly the thing Hull FC coaches were being slammed for. Even before that he inherited a top side at Bradford and the cracks were already appearing in that as he left.

I'm not convinced by Radford but its too early to pull the trigger yet. If he does go then it has to be for someone demonstrably better, some of the suggested replacements clearly aren't.

Can see Radford going himself following Wigan defeat.They are too fast for us and we always struggle against pacey sides who move the ball fast.
Cant see a win against Catalan either too big too strong and with pace in the backs and forwards.
1 win in 6 should be be enough for Pearson to act in any case.

Better get your case of champagne if it's cheap enough.

I said the same at half time on Thursday. We're just not finishing off the sets well, and could/should have been out of sight by halftime, but either played dumb or tried too hard close to their line. Leeds defended ok, and probably wouldn't have scored if the half time break hadn't come. But we can't rely on other teams not playing well to win. Even Hudds should probably have had 30+ put on them.

If we can convert the possession we have into more points things will turn round.

Seb will lend him that £100 he keeps telling us he's saving with his families non-attendance.
Should do for a couple of bottles of Moet for the usual suspects to fill their socks with, if, and when, another one of our coach's gets shown the door.

Are you an Fc fan ?

So do any of you think Radford is doing a good job and that as a team we are performing anywhere near to our abilities or even improved ?
Before that is you all jump on the bandwagon and lay into Bonaire with stupid accusations.
If we were consistently competitive and Radford had proven himself to be a decent coach this discussion would be null and void and the vast majority of fans would be happy.
I don't agree with criticising the club over everything nor with the endless positivity and optimism some seem to portray.
This is Radfords team this season there are no more excuses but yet we are churning out the same rubbish as last.
Something has to give and unfortunately for me it won't be Radford being replaced anytime soon. So that champagne will have to remain on ice.
We are all hull fans who want a competitive and successful team. I believe we are years away from that currently with our current coach.
Pearson obviously believes publicly to the contrary so we all need to buckle up and endure the ride that is being an FC fan without the constant derision by some.

Not every post has to be slating Lee Radford.

Stating the obvious the second half performance against Leeds was embarrassing and they just give up (not all) so why did it change in second half?Can not be all down to the coach ..can it? Were Warrington and the Giants poor and made us look better? If Radford is sacked have we got the players for another coach to change things ?If we have then Pearson has to act but for me the players need to take a long hard look at themselves and quicker the better

And how many, after nilling Hudds and playing well against Wire, were praising Lee for turning things round a little? He was favourite for the sack first, and Hull were picked by each pundit for the bottom 4, yet 2 good performances in and all was sweetness and light. The vast majority of fans [uwere[/u happy.

In all fairness, Warrington, Huddersfield, Leeds & Salford....pretty hard first 4 games, including Wigan for 5, what results would we have expected against them last year? Radford should leave however Pearson will also see it as a very tough start therefore may be waiting until we play a few mid-table sides to get a better view of where we are at maybe?

Hudds is the only good performance. Warrington we was ok but in all honesty Warrington just did enough to beat us and always looked the better side. they also had an eye on the week after. Salford - rubbish, Leeds - appauling. If some of you are happy then go for it