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| Quote ="Ellam"Is this thread a joke, after 6 games really???????????'"
Don't worry. Glancing back at the thread it appears only 4 posters actually want rid.
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| Pearsons decision making is questionable to say the least.
we concede 70 odd points & 2 weeks later promote the defence coach!
our crap signings over the last couple of years,(we were told) are down to filling gaps
caused by a lack of quality coming through the u/19s - Pearson promotes the coach!
R. Horne to be u/16s coach.
only leaves `Yeamo' to become part of the `old boys club' - skills coach?
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| I thought we did root out the culprits some time ago.
Shaun McRae said there was a cancer at the club by the sounds of things it is still here.
As i said last year if the players dont want to play for this club then go some where else.
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| Quote ="fcgrandad"I thought we did root out the culprits some time ago.
Shaun McRae said there was a cancer at the club by the sounds of things it is still here.
As i said last year if the players dont want to play for this club then go some where else.'"
Mcrae and now are two very different situations. I believe the team now are very much onboard with everything Lee and Lasty are trying too achieve. Unfortunatley some are just not up to required standard to perform week in week out and we don't have the player pool to weed out players left and right.
I think Radders will improve us as I've seen glimpses already but we'll always come up with a Widnes performance now and again and will always struggle to put in a full 80.
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| Quote ="Doc Brown"Not read all the comments on here yet but whilst yesterday was a disgrace I think it's far too early to have a "Radford Out" thread. Just a few weeks ago most of us were praising him. Yes, he's inexperienced and he's made a few errors in my opinion but we're only six games in.
Yesterday, as I say, was a disgrace. But it's not like we aren't used to it. The players let Radders down just like they have let down our previous coaches. There is a major attitude problem at the club and that's down to the players. Another coach no matter how experienced they are will have the same problem.
We need to root out the culprits and get rid of them. Not change the coach.'"
Name and Shame the culprits then don't sit on the fence
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| Quote ="hullmackem"Two things worry me; his constant changes to the team after someone has a bad game (i know some were enforced) and what he says to the press.
Both of these will p!ss the team off eventually. You can't mention players personally playing badly without affecting confidence and trust and changing players all the time gets no consistency.
Yesterday was one of the worst performances i've seen, regardless of the weather.'"
Constant changes to the team have had to be done through injury & form, also to find the best combinations with the players we've got, which props compliment eachother etc..also why shouldn't radders tell the truth on his players under performing? It's what we all post about on the forums...& let's face it the players will either sulk & sit in the stands or address the problems & starts to perform as they should.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Constant changes to the team have had to be done through injury & form, also to find the best combinations with the players we've got, which props compliment eachother etc..also why shouldn't radders tell the truth on his players under performing? It's what we all post about on the forums...& let's face it the players will either sulk & sit in the stands or address the problems & starts to perform as they should.'"
so, when we win it's because Radders is great, when we lose it's down to the players?
he is in over his head
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| Quote ="Capital Punishment"Name and Shame the culprits then don't sit on the fence
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I don't know who they are and I'm not going to specifically point the finger at individuals. All I know is we've gone through coach after coach and the problem remains. For me, that means it must be the players.
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| Quote ="Standee"so, when we win it's because Radders is great, when we lose it's down to the players?
he is in over his head'"
It's down to both..without been disrespectful to widnes we had a decent enough team out to beat them by a 20 point margin..a coach can only hand the shirts out he can't play in them.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"It's down to both..without been disrespectful to widnes we had a decent enough team out to beat them by a 20 point margin..a coach can only hand the shirts out he can't play in them.'"
as a manager I take responsibility for the failings of any of my team, Radford should do the same
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Constant changes to the team have had to be done through injury & form, [ualso to find the best combinations with the players we've got, which props compliment eachother etc..[/ualso why shouldn't radders tell the truth on his players under performing? It's what we all post about on the forums...& let's face it the players will either sulk & sit in the stands or address the problems & starts to perform as they should.'"
We had 4 pre-season games for that, or are they just a fun afternoon out for the players and coaches?
It's getting Agaresque with the misuse of preseason games, leaving a sub unused warming his ar$e on the bench. What next? "For 's sake (insert name here). Get him off" caught on camera at a TV game?
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| Quote ="Chris28"We had 4 pre-season games for that, or are they just a fun afternoon out for the players and coaches?
It's getting Agaresque with the misuse of preseason games, leaving a sub unused warming his ar$e on the bench. What next? "For love's sake (insert name here). Get him off" caught on camera at a TV game?'"
what so 4 games is enough to give game time to 30 odd players & the 19s, to find out our best squad & having them gelled to hit the ground running on day 1 of the season?
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| Quote ="Chris28"
It's getting Agaresque with the misuse of preseason games, leaving a sub unused warming his ar$e on the bench. What next? '"
Seeming to have a firm grasp of what our problems are, but being unable to rectify them?
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"what so 4 games is enough to give game time to 30 odd players & the 19s, to find out our best squad & having them gelled to hit the ground running on day 1 of the season?'"
it's more than enough he's just a crap coach
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"what so 4 games is enough to give game time to 30 odd players & the 19s, to [ufind out our best squad & having them gelled to hit the ground running[/u on day 1 of the season?'"
That might have been less of a challenge if he'd played the first team squad for any length of time in any of the pre-season games.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"what so 4 games is enough to give game time to 30 odd players & the 19s, to find out our best squad & having them gelled to hit the ground running on day 1 of the season?'"
What a new coach tends to do is get an idea in his head of who his best team is. He then gives that team the first 40 in at least two of the pre season games. He then uses the 2nd halfs to get ideas of how the other players are performing and also giving them a chance to stake a claim for a starting spot.
Radford however had the benefit of seeing and working with the majority of the squad first hand all last season.
It is also hard for players to gel (especially halfbacks) if they are not given a good run of games.
Still it seems we are not much further on from "us does well in training".
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| Quote ="Rock God X"That might have been less of a challenge if he'd played the first team squad for any length of time in any of the pre-season games.'"
they are getting game time now & most are going through the motions...he's naming them & trust me people think he's there mates but if he has to swing the axe he will...he knows this coaching job could last 6 months or 6 years..but he will do what no other coach as dared to do..drop household names in our squad. Then that's upto them to knock his door down with the right attitude or move clubs..this is unfair to say he should go after a small amount of games..with a squad he's inherited with no class pivots,a few risky signings,& the loss of 1 of the best British wingers in the game.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan":1odtnzkmWith a squad he's inherited with no class pivots,a few risky signings,& the loss of 1 of the best British wingers in the game.'"
I agree, yet the 2 Salford games have now become massive games for Radford and the team. Pearson is not known for resting on his laurels when it comes to changing managers. He mentioned that he wanted us back at the final this year, if we suffer defeat against Salford he may start getting an itchy trigger finger.
Like i have said before, give him till midway through the season before making a rash decision.
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| Quote ="hullbg"1, The squad he inherited finished 6th and got to 1 of the 2 finals on offer in the game.
2, I am presuming he had input on those risky signings, yet I would say the best signing so far has been Thompson who was signed by Gentle IIRC.
I agree, yet the 2 Salford games have now become massive games for Radford and the team. Pearson is not known for resting on his laurels when it comes to changing managers. He mentioned that he wanted us back at the final this year, if we suffer defeat against Salford he may start getting an itchy trigger finger.
Like i have said before, give him till midway through the season before making a rash decision.'"
Every game is important imo as we are not the dead cert top 6 club people think we are, "or we should be beating these sort of teams" the team picked as got to turn up & put an 80 minute performance in each week regardless of who or where we are playing, & from what I have seen we haven't managed 40 minutes, bad execution/poor discipline/ wrong options..we've had it all but concentration!
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| Quote ="major black"Mcrae and now are two very different situations. I believe the team now are very much onboard with everything Lee and Lasty are trying too achieve. Unfortunatley some are just not up to required standard to perform week in week out and we don't have the player pool to weed out players left and right.
I think Radders will improve us as I've seen glimpses already but we'll always come up with a Widnes performance now and again and will always struggle to put in a full 80.'"
Good post agree re players and hope you're right re Radders.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"they are getting game time now & most are going through the motions...he's naming them & trust me people think he's there mates but if he has to swing the axe he will...he knows this coaching job could last 6 months or 6 years..but he will do what no other coach as dared to do..drop household names in our squad. Then that's upto them to knock his door down with the right attitude or move clubs..'"
The fact remains that Gentle got us to a major final and a sixth place finish, but still got the sack because that wasn't (presumably) deemed to be good enough. Radford needs to do at least as well as Gentle did, or it was utterly pointless sacking him.
Quote ="easthull fc fan"this is unfair to say he should go after a small amount of games..with a squad he's inherited with no class pivots,a few risky signings,& the loss of 1 of the best British wingers in the game.'"
Not the old "it's not his squad" chestnut, please. He's been involved for a couple of years now and was responsible for many of our off season signings. I'm not saying he should be sacked now, but I'm far from convinced he'll see the season out.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"The fact remains that Gentle got us to a major final and a sixth place finish, but still got the sack because that wasn't (presumably) deemed to be good enough. Radford needs to do at least as well as Gentle did, or it was utterly pointless sacking him.
Not the old "it's not his squad" chestnut, please. He's been involved for a couple of years now and was responsible for many of our off season signings. I'm not saying he should be sacked now, but I'm far from convinced he'll see the season out.'"
We did get to a final but the team failed to turn up, same at huddersfield in the play offs, & its not his squad, his first signing would have been a decent halfback or two, & seen as he took over when the available layers had left the market i still think his signings have been the best of the bunch so far, barring ellis & westy, Tickle & Briscoe are huge losses also imo.
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| i said in my posts last year think we got rid of gentle to early defo worth another year imo, still thats gone and whilst i still have doubts about radford he will get my full support , i really hope he is a success as i love fc and just want us to do well
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| Gentle finished 6th in his first season without his own squad.
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| good to see the resident apologist keeping the faith
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