Absolutely. The only forward who got close to finding his front regularly was O'Meley, but then the rest of his game was absolute sh*te. Bowden about our best prop today for me, and Galea probably our best forward. I wouldn't actually Galea was much, if any better than he has been, either. Said more about the rest of them. Our PTB speed is pathetic.

Seen a couple of mention half exonerating Whiting in this thread, too. (This is not specifically aimed at you, just saving the bother of a seperate post). Don't agree with them. Might have got his hands on the ball a bit more than others, but his execution poor pretty much all game. Only Houghton & Horne produced more good than bad today IMO.

It looks that way because it is that way. At one point in the first half I counted. 2 entire sets for Rovers had them land on their fronts every tackle. We had 2 in the same amount. In one set, all 6 tackles had the Hull player on his back. We are monumentally crap at this no matter how you try and dress it up.

Westerman was truly awful today. One of about half a dozen who probably had their worst games of the season.

So, assuming Wakefield retain their lead, we are 2 fom 9 and 11th, with Wakefield and Widnes above us and both of them having a game in hand. IMO Pearson will act if we lose on Monday.

Regarding Houghton passing right: Has anybody considered that it might be an instruction from Gentle? We have been a very left-heavy side for a few years and Gentle has correctly identified this and said he was looking to improve it this year. Maybe we've been set up to prefer the right this year in an attempt to surprise teams. I could see the logic in this even if it hasn't been as effective as hoped.

We will lose on Monday. But with all respect he should be acting right now.

Could be. The tough start was a reasonable excuse for a bit. But we've been shiit against Widnes, London and Rovers, and haven't faced either of the top 2 yet. It's been a disaster not having Holdsworth available, but he would have made no difference today. Honestly can't see Pearson accepting this.

I have seen the replay now and it looks even worse then live, I judge coaches when they are losing not when they are winning. I am sure PG has and is under pressure the cracks are showing, the warning signs are all there. He loses on Monday and I always thought we would and he is in dead mans shoes, there is no slack on this anymore.

Adam Pearson is not a man to let the grass grow long or suffer a backlash from the fans. Next Sunday the crowd will turn on PG and we can argue till next season as to who's fault it is, PG will get the blame. Adam Peason has to act to protect his investment because as it stands today FC worth dropped to Comet levels. This continues and who will buy a season pass next season, a couple of thousand maybe.


The lack of a halfback has been an ongoing problem, but lets not delude ourselves KR managed very well in the second without there halfback pairing. We have a poor squad, poorly lead, drilled and I question of enough of them actually put the effort in required. Is it the culture now at FC to sign player who lose any talent they have and forget the basics of the game or are crocks. By the time our marque signing actually runs out ahead of the team onto the field ( if he ever does ), this season will in be to far away from us for us to make any headway. Top eight may be achievable and we may squeeze in just like we have for the last five seasons, its not good enough anymore.

I borrowed my sons pass today as he was working and since the move to Fridays has prevented me attending till today. He is working next Sunday and offered me the pass again and I am sorry to say it, but I refused his kind offer.

I personaly think that the club has now run out of time, fans will not wait another one or two season while some one comes in and "builds a team up". This should have been a year the Pheonix rose from the ashes, everything should have been in place for a season of promise. We are looking down a long tunnel for the light at the end, this is not a tunnel its a bloody cave.

Today was crap - no doubt. We were laboured, we lacked leadership and we lacked direction. But the reality is that our leaders (Ellis and Lynch) and our general (Holdsworth) were sitting in the stands alongside McDonnell (who's been about our best player this season), Yeaman and Seymour. Take 5 or 6 players of that calibre out of any team in SL and they will struggle.

I don't think Hull have adjusted particularly well and Gentle does need to take some of the blame for that. Briscoe didn't really work at full back last week, Whiting and Westerman in the halves didn't work this week. I also agree with those who say Houghton should not be captain - he's a top player but more a leader by effort / example than someone who will rev up the other players.

But people need to stick with Gentle IMO - we saw towards the back end of last season what this team should (and will, in my view) be capable of once we get some or all of those players back.

If we're still playing like this in 8 or 10 weeks time then who knows. But with those players back I think it'll be a completely different story by then.

I've still got confidence in Gentle as our coach - and as fans we need to be realistic, understand the constraints he's currently working under and support the team.

I'm as disappointed as anyone on this board are about today's result - but chopping the coach at this stage of the season would be madness and the wrong thing to do.

I think the lack of a halfback argument took a huge knock today. Not that it doesn't have any validity, but the fact that we were comprehensively outplayed even when the opposition were also without a halfback laid bare just how much more we should still be seeing.

I don't disagree but it's not our money. AP's nearly 2 years in, we're 11th, he's gone out of his way to get a big crowd for what turned out to be a shambles. Is he getting value for money? If he acts now and there's a "response" he can at least reverse the downward trajectory. Adopting a laissez-faire approach and us missing the 8 would be a disaster from a season tickets perspective. £23 for that today just wasn't good value. Rightly or wrongly I think he's at the end of his patience with McRae and Gentle.

Do you work for the Club ?
You always talk Sh""te !!!
Apologist or what !!!

Totally agree .

The problem with Pearson "acting now" is that there is zero reason to believe there would be an immediate improvement.

Pearson knew Parkinson, who did wonders at colchester, was out of his depth at city, dont be suprised if he does the same to Gentle and Mcrae, these two between them are responsible for signing players and offering contracts to existing ones! the only players who have deserved a new contract and have signed already are Lineham and Horne!

So what would you do?

Thought you'd left? At least you flounced off a few weeks ago. Seem to have been back a few times since. Did the hem of your frock get caught on something?

Care to explain what I was apologizing for in the post you quoted?

I'd see if Gentle can turn things around once we get a few players back. If he failed to do that then I'd have a new man in place for the end of the season.

But it's not my investment on the line. And I don't know what might be going on behind closed doors.

We are light weight at prop. Particularly when Lynch didn't play - I think you called for him to be dropped earlier well there you go with Johnson and Pitts - neither anywhere near big or powerful enough for the role. Youngster Green was also average. In particular Johnson spent his afternoon being totally owned by average SL forwards. Whiting created more down the left channel in the second half than 'poor completion' Westerman did all game on the right. Wouldn't blame either of them mind as they shouldn't have to play that role.

Our forwards were garbage with the possible exception of Galea who at least ran his weight and played quickly. There's a reason why forwards don't get 'on their fronts' and that's because they're not powerful enough. Step forward our props today.

It was a poor display by Hull today. Like others have said there seemed to be little passion & not much of a game plan. It I fed up with hearing about injuries & no scrum half etc. The way they played today makes me wonder whether there is a problem or two within our camp.

I have seen many a match over the past few decades & today's performance by Hull must not be repeated as the fans will 'vote with their feet'. If there is/are problems within the club then Mr Gentle & Co., must sort within the next few days or else there must be changes made with in the club in order to save this season. Time is no longer on the club's side to turn this season around.

As fans were always quick to blame the coach but I'm starting to believe that we have some sort of deep rooted culture problem at this club that will literally take years to change. It's going to take a real top quality coach to do it and what are the chances of us attracting one here? We have too many dumb (in game terms) players that just take the wrong option far too often.

Maybe eyes should change to McRea , Isn't he the one who advised him who to sign ?

Lynch was replaced by Bowden, who I actually thought was possibly our best prop along with Watts. I have also actually called for Pitts to be dropped this season, and more so than Lynch. But that's by the by. I was responding to someone claiming we had plenty of fast ball. We didn't.

Not sure of your point comparing Whiting and Westerman.

And on the last point, I'm completely aware of it thanks. I am assured that a new scrum half would improve our PTB speed, though.

No need to thank me.

You called for Lynch to be dropped which was frankly a joke call in our squad and shown up for that today. You picked Whiting out for criticism but left Westy out of it when he was basically pathetic today in almost everything he did hence why I mentioned it.

A decent kicker and play maker would have given KR something to think about despite playing off slow ball. The club know it which is why the coach talked about it after the game - the fans know it - but perhaps you disagree. We need more forward power and a scrum half. Or maybe you think second rowers could do the job if we only landed on our fronts more ?