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| Quote ="Hull White Star"At the end of the day, FC Voices the group, or individual members do not have to justify themselves to anyone on a public fans forum. As with anything there are people that will appreciate what we do and people who don't. Those that appreciate us don't need to shout about it on here, its always the people who really couldn't care less or give two hoots what we do who will always waste their energy and slate us on here.
Standee got his desired effect from this thread. He started with the nasty comments then let everyone else squabble amongst themselves while he sits back and watches.'" The man is just and out and out sh-t stirrer And poster have fallen for it
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Cheers, are you compiling your top 20 list?'"
You really are childish beyond compare and as The Standee has disappeared you must be him in another guise cos you have exactly the same opinion - As you are so concerned take up the offer and join the committee.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Nothing tangible that the club couldn't do themselves, tbh.'"
But surely by the FC Voices doing Forums and Heritage weekends on a voluntary basis it leaves the Paid staff of the club to get on doing their jobs so to speak - by the way did you go to Heritage day. Arthur Bunting, Gentleman John, Waudby Family, Keith Tindall, George Robinson to name but a few all had tables with their memoribilia - The Club did not liase with them to come FC Voices did. Now if I was a member of FC Voices I would say after todays insults I am off.
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| Quote ="Basher"But surely by the FC Voices doing Forums and Heritage weekends on a voluntary basis it leaves the Paid staff of the club to get on doing their jobs so to speak - by the way did you go to Heritage day. Arthur Bunting, Gentleman John, Waudby Family, Keith Tindall, George Robinson to name but a few all had tables with their memoribilia - The Club did not liase with them to come FC Voices did. [u Now if I was a member of FC Voices I would say after todays insults I am off.[/u
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Don't worry, we won't let a few naysayers on an insignificant message board spoil it. We'll just laugh at them using their energy getting their knickers in a twist
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Don't worry, we won't let a few naysayers on an insignificant message board spoil it. We'll just laugh at them using their energy getting their knickers in a twist
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Just a opinion, you can't please everyone. You seem very bitter about it.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Don't worry, [uwe won't let a few naysayers on an insignificant message board[/u spoil it. We'll just laugh at them using their energy getting their knickers in a twist
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That's right, you just alienate every fan who uses this board to have a dig at a few. I'm sure FCVoices wouldn't want to be associated with such comments?
If this board is so insignificant, why did you spend most of yesterday and already today defending FCVoices on it? Despite saying you didn't have to numerous times.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Just a opinion, you can't please everyone. You seem very bitter about it.'"
Delusions of grandeur?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Just a opinion, you can't please everyone. You seem very bitter about it.'"
And you can't seem to see what happened on here yesterday. I'm not bitter, far from it. You obviously didn't read my last post as you will have seen I said you can't please everyone, with a shrug of the shoulders attitude.
I don't mind people having opinions. But posters shouldn't start a thread to just use divide and rule which is exactly what happened yesterday. Standee asked a question and within the second page it was answered by two people. That should have been the end of it. Threads are usually locked when a question is answered but the mods let this descend into a free for all.
And as for being on here defending yesterday, I give my time for free, I don't have to and neither does anyone else on Voices but we do it because we believe in it, just like we all go to watch Hull FC because we believe in them.
If you don't like Voices or what we do, fair enough but to carry on the way some posters carried on yesterday was quite immature and there was no need for half of it.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star" Threads are usually locked when a question is answered but the mods let this descend into a free for all. '"
Tut tut that breaks the AUP
Quote ="Hull White Star" I give my time for free, I don't have to and neither does anyone else on Voices but we do it because we believe in it, just like we all go to watch Hull FC because we believe in them. '"
So do the Moderators, like them or not theyre here to do a thankless task.
Why not apply if you can do better
They represent the full spectrum of FC fans, ie hardcore ones and the others who just listen on radio.
They also have ethnic, disabled and lesbians covered, but thats just Ratty Joe
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Tut tut that breaks the AUP
So do the Moderators, like them or not theyre here to do a thankless task.
Why not apply if you can do better
They represent the full spectrum of FC fans, ie hardcore ones and the others who just listen on radio.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Tut tut that breaks the AUP
So do the Moderators, like them or not theyre here to do a thankless task.
Why not apply if you can do better
They represent the full spectrum of FC fans, ie hardcore ones and the others who just listen on radio.
They also have ethnic, disabled and lesbians covered, but thats just Ratty Joe
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Tut tut that breaks the AUP
So do the Moderators, like them or not theyre here to do a thankless task.
Why not apply if you can do better
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+ Standee doesn't like them either.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"And you can't seem to see what happened on here yesterday. I'm not bitter, far from it. You obviously didn't read my last post as you will have seen I said you can't please everyone, with a shrug of the shoulders attitude.
I don't mind people having opinions. But posters shouldn't start a thread to just use divide and rule which is exactly what happened yesterday. Standee asked a question and within the second page it was answered by two people. That should have been the end of it. Threads are usually locked when a question is answered but the mods let this descend into a free for all.
And as for being on here defending yesterday, I give my time for free, I don't have to and neither does anyone else on Voices but we do it because we believe in it, just like we all go to watch Hull FC because we believe in them.
If you don't like Voices or what we do, fair enough but to carry on the way some posters carried on yesterday was quite immature and there was no need for half of it.'"
It was left open as Kosh had said to Standee there was no problem to have a debate on Voices and that's what happened. Better this than have comments on the annoucement threads.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Delusions of grandeur?'"
I do find this can happen within these groups unfortunately.
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| Quote ="K-Diddy"+ Standee doesn't like them either.'"
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| Quote ="K-Diddy"+ Standee doesn't like them either.'"
At least hes consistant, he hates everyone.
God help Richard Horne if he was a moderator and in FC Voices though, that would really freak Standee out
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Tut tut that breaks the AUP
So do the Moderators, like them or not theyre here to do a thankless task.
Why not apply if you can do better
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So let them ban me
You read other pages and you'll see threads locked when a question has been asked and answered, this should have been no different. Considering the tone of the OP, it was never going to be a sensible, balanced debate was it?
I don't want to be a mod, I can't guarantee I am able to be online when needed, nor do I have the personality to do it. I'll leave that to the real ones and the modabees.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"You read other pages and you'll see threads locked when a question has been asked and answered, this should have been no different. Considering the tone of the OP, it was never going to be a sensible, balanced debate was it?'"
Threads asking simple questions with simple answers are often - not always - locked when the question is answered. Often at the request of the OP. This was never one of those threads. If you can't see the negative consequences of locking a thread containing a complaint about the lack of opportunity to discuss a particular topic then you're a little naive.
Debates on messageboards aren't always sensible and balanced. That's just the way it is. And it isn't reason enough on it's own to lock threads. If it were, half the site would be in permanent lockdown.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Threads asking simple questions with simple answers are often - not always - locked when the question is answered. Often at the request of the OP. This was never one of those threads. [uIf you can't see the negative consequences of locking a thread containing a complaint about the lack of opportunity to discuss a particular topic then you're a little naive.[/u
Debates on messageboards aren't always sensible and balanced. That's just the way it is. And it isn't reason enough on it's own to lock threads. If it were, half the site would be in permanent lockdown.'"
And if you couldn't see what was happening, surely you are a little naive too?
Quote ="Standee"and FCVOICES get a voice on RLFANS, why?
do they pay?
[uor do we just give lazy people a nice easy spot to walk from?[/u'"
Quote ="Standee"the problem is that isn't true, they are a buffer between a specific set of fans and the club, the majority have no voice, and if we dare to proffer it we get banned.
you have more chance of getting a disabled parking space than a fair audience.
FCVOICES are, increasingly, a self serving group, and I apologise to my friends who serve(d) on it for saying that, they are used as almost a "human shield" by the club.
it won't be long before FCV are more interested in welfare reform and DLA than they are the majority of fans.'"
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"And if you couldn't see what was happening, surely you are a little naive too?'"
If you can't handle criticism then this is probably not the place for you TBH.
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| Quote ="Kosh"If you can't handle criticism then this is probably not the place for you TBH.'"
Damned if you do!! I will not sit back and be personally insulted, which is what the above posters did. I defended it now I get told this is not the place for me for defending myself and the group I am in, you just couldn't make it up.
I really should know better actually because I know for a fact Standee doesn't really hate FC Voices, he was just trolling as he has been in touch with the group telling us what good work we do and offering to sponsor equipment we use for fans forums. Thats why this should have been locked as Standee was goading for a response, and he got what he wanted, nothing to do with stickies.
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Damned if you do!! I will not sit back and be personally insulted, which is what the above posters did. I defended it now I get told this is not the place for me for defending myself and the group I am in, you just couldn't make it up.
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Only one comment from Standee could be labelled as personally insulting. If you consider the rest of what you quoted to be personal insults then this is [idefinitely[/i not the place for you.
You are not being criticised for defending either yourself or Voices. You are being criticised for suggesting that threads should be locked because you don't happen to like them and for overreacting to perfectly normal message-board content. Other members of Voices are capable of defending the group on here without doing either of these things.
You probably won't be able to see this, but your overly defensive responses on here have done more harm than anything Standee posted.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Only one comment from Standee could be labelled as personally insulting. If you consider the rest of what you quoted to be personal insults then this is [idefinitely[/i not the place for you.
You are not being criticised for defending either yourself or Voices. You are being criticised for suggesting that threads should be locked because you don't happen to like them and for overreacting to perfectly normal message-board content. Other members of Voices are capable of defending the group on here without doing either of these things.
[uYou probably won't be able to see this, but your overly defensive responses on here have done more harm than anything Standee posted.[/u'"
Standee asked for it to be kept open and let Voices defend, I did but was duly ignored by Standee and he hasn't responded since (which was his intention). I'm not the one who has been shown to be a troll or to make crass, immature remarks.
Oh believe me, other members have been in touch and are in absolute agreement about what this thread has been all about. There are reasons why they haven't responded on here which I'm not about to go into, but they are 100% behind me.
I wanted it locked for the very reason what the thread has become about. A question was asked which was nothing to do with the running of Voices, if anything it was to do with the running of RL Fans and how they manage stickies but as usual, and by the usual suspects it descended into nothing of what the OP was about, THATS why it should have been locked.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Standee asked for it to be kept open and let Voices defend'"
No he didn't. Try again.
Quote ="Hull White Star"Oh believe me, other members have been in touch and are in absolute agreement about what this thread has been all about. There are reasons why they haven't responded on here which I'm not about to go into, but they are 100% behind me.'"
I tend to treat claims of anonymous support with significant scepticism. Ironically, Standee also makes these claims. In fact the two of you are more alike than either of you thinks.
Quote ="Hull White Star"I wanted it locked for the very reason what the thread has become about. A question was asked which was nothing to do with the running of Voices, if anything it was to do with the running of RL Fans and how they manage stickies but as usual, and by the usual suspects it descended into nothing of what the OP was about, THATS why it should have been locked.'"
Your lack of comprehension is duly noted. As is your desire to stifle discussions that you don't approve of. Fortunately you are not the arbiter of which threads get locked on here or anywhere else on RLFans.
And that's where I'm going to leave it, as I have neither the time nor the desire to continue this rather pointless argument. I would however congratulate you on managing to alienate at least one former supporter. Good work.
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