I think that the RFL would be hard pressed to justify any penalty against the club given that not a single one of the people responsible are still here - not even the BOD. It would be exceptionally easy to challenge any such ruling and win.

If he wasn't dealing with depression he probably is now, I just hope the people around him are supporting him we don't need another Terry Newton thanks very much!

Depression start with worry Only people close to him will known
if he was down with it or his Doctor ..We has fans can debate it till the cow come home
but the fact.s are we don't known

The UKDA isn't part of the UK justice system.

So what?

Last time I looked Sean Long has not been accused of anything apart from by some numpties on here

I know, just wondering how they take evidence

What I cant understand is why Rule tried to cover it all up. A rumour was doing the rounds about Gleeson and slimming pills being the reason Cooper was so abruptly sacked at the time.
Ah well just another bat for our enemies to hit us over the head with.
Thought it was a bit quiet..........

It's certainly a concern for me that there may be additional punishments from the RFL which may include a fine or worse for the club - regardless of the fact that the three individuals are no longer employed by the club.

HAS long taken them same pills? If he admits to it then surely he could be looking at a ban,or did he just get them for gleeson after speaking to cooper?

The whole thing just screams incompetence.

Why did a professional sportsman accept someone else's word that a supplement was ok?
Why did a professional conditioning coach clear a supplement that wasn't permitted under WADA rules?
Why did a Chief Executive get involved in a ludicrously incompetent attempt at a cover up?
Why did everyone think lying about it all was going to make it all go away?

Martin Gleeson would always have got a ban for taking the substance regardless of whether Cooper cleared it or not. He was on a short(ish)-term contract and was hardly setting the world on fire in a mediocre team. What was the point of it all?

Utter stupidity. All of it.

It doesn't matter. You can only perjure yourself in a legal sense if you lie in a court of law or otherwise use an untruth to affect the outcome of court proceedings. The UKDA hearings are not a court of law.

It seems that Long had used the supplement at some point. If he did it before 2010 then he wasn't committing an offence.

I appear before the Asylum & Immigration Tribunal and am sure there are rules about lying there. Maybe not a criminal offence, but viewed pretty seriously

Lying in front of the UKDA is also an offence - that's effectively what Cooper and Rule have been banned for.



The Asylum & Immigration Tribunal may not be a court of law but it's still an official part of the UK 'system'. And I imagine that there are specific offences in law governing evidence presented to it. The UKDA is entirely extra-Governmental and will not have any such protection in law.

Not on the on-line edition, but a two-page spread in todays "paper" Mail stresses the illness was real:



They do also go on to ask the questions of how much of the stress was induced by the drug test failing, and, if so, if the support and advice following this was sufficient by the club.

Feeling a bit sorry for Gleeson who's main failing seems to have been gross stupidity. Also surprised at Long's negligence, especially after his verbose descriptions of horror in his book about Cunningham's failed drugs test when unwittingly given them by the Saints conditioner, and the possible consequences for other team-mates.

With his 1st season being 2010 and him asking and getting the ok from Cooper it would be safe to presume he did.

Your club is drinking in the last chance saloon as far as patience is concerned,but with Adam Pearson now in charge you have the best possible chance of on the field success and off the field professionalism (sp) .It's the fans I feel sorry for most .

You're too, too kind. No, really

Rule charged by UKAD - 11 October

Rule leaves FC - 11 October

Coincidence, or Adam getting rid of the trash?

Bit rich coming from your mob....put it this way...if it was you,id be bloody happy...we have long memorys and remember names...BARRY LILLEY

You're my new favourite.

What I can't understand, is if he failed the test after Salford on the 13 May, although he didn't play in the cup against Widnes, he did in the league against Hudds and Rovers, before the hearing on June 9th.

Seeming madness, or desperation by the club to keep the pressure off Agar and try to continue the limping "success"?

Agar picked the teams between those dates. Not being legally clued up, I may be reading more into this than necessary, but surely he should have been sidelined pending the investigation?

Red Tommo. I've deleted it twice. Try again and it will go, and so will you.

The thing I can't get my head around is, even if you have the inclination to cheat and the tery to lie about it, "Why bother?" FC under Agar were awful and were never going to win anything, with or without a knackered and troublesome centre. Why would two people risk their career over it?

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=498713 some interesting comments in there at the time

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=498713 some interesting comments in there at the time