this is how bad we've become, we're worried about Danny Orr ffs!

Let's just hope that your players have the same ignorant attitude regarding Orr who has been pivotal for us this season, freeing up Chase to terrorise defences.

Let's not forget we once feared Chris Thorman.

Didn't comment on Crusaders defence at all. Or are you debating that Cas scored some quality tries?

Never more so than when he was playing for us.

todays legendary quote

beat me to it (by a few hours to be fair...)

well we're wondering wether to bother turning up at all on friday night after reading some cas fans posts about hull and how crap we are, so it works both ways, similar scores to last season would be nice

This may sound stupid, But forget about Rangi Chase. You target him, You WILL NOT!! stop him. He will bounce off you, Run rings round you and make you look silly.

You have to follow Bradfords example, They said they were going to shut Chase down, but did the opposite, They took Danny Orr out of the game, And got on top in the forwards. If you dont win the forward battle, Your going to lose the game.

The Castleford side is a completely different one to the one you saw pre-season, A much better disciplined side, And we now have a few bodies knocking the door down to play, To make a selection headache

I think, Home advantage will just see Hull Prevail, But your defence will have to improve.

Every team is targeting Rangi and it ain't stopping us. As Dettoriman said, stop our pack as Bulls did then you will win. Our pack has controlled all games apart from Bulls. They ain't the best players but they give 100% into everything. I do think we will lose as your pitch is bigger than Colliseum so I think we will struggle because of this.

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hammy felt good today cant wait for friday

He looked fine this morning, doing his own thing in training being assessed etc.

Everyone else training (bar Ogre). Briscoe's face looked a mess!

The first bit does sound a bit stupid, what you are saying is that Chase is unstoppable, I pretty sure that this isn't the case, as you would never lose a game.

He is a fantasic player though and one we need to somehow try and keep quiet.

The rest of your post I agree with, Cas are a good side this year, matterson has made some good signings in Orr and Mathers (both of whom we should have looked to sign in the close season). Added to this your impressive youngsters that have come into the first team this year.

I think this is a our biggset test this year for the players and coach, we have have to do something we haven't so done so far this year, an 80 minutes performance to win this one.

I think Cas are favourites for this game and righly so.

You could say the same about the quins defence as well.
After watching the highlights i thought they were very poor, especialy in the last 15/20 mins

We wore them out with our dazzling rugby, no mistakes and back to back sets.

What lead you to that conclusion?

I don't really understand the apparent belief that we're not as bas as we actually are, we managed to pull it out of the bag against Quins, that doesn't suddenly make us serious contenders. We need to win our next three games before I'll start to believe we've "turned a corner"

And win them well too.

(by playing well, coherently and confidently, not necessarily by racking up points.)

Well, Castleford, Bradford and Catalans, not sides that could be beaten by a poor performance from us.

I'm at the point where I'm taking it one game at a time, and frankly expecting us to lose. At least I get a nice surprise if we win. We're far too inconsistent to be making any predictions.

at least it's not just me, looking at the HDM yesterday and today you'd have thought we'd played Quins off the park.

We will miss the ogre in fridays game,thats a fact,it will go down to the wire and i think we will sneak it ......................just

I don't think we are as bad as some make out but I also don't consider us as serious contenders. We had turned a corner performance-wise after good performances against Hudds, Wigand and Crusaders but then fell away badly against Wakey.

We need to string some wins together starting on Friday by backing up from the Quins game.

it seems most people agree Paul, I'm in two minds about making the trip, I still remember how miserable the drive home was after the Wakefield game!