Whilst the injuries have obviously had an effect, the real issue is the coach. If we had our 1st choice 17 out every week we'd still be nowhere near leeds, wigan and wire

agreed

Agree about Wigan & Wire, but not Leeds.

are you joking? there miles ahead of us...

Never looked that miles ahead of us the last time we played them with 12 men on the pitch.

just remind me who won?? they did, whilst we was looking at excuses why we lost....and why we didnt finish 4th..

Did you actually see the game, never in a million years did they look miles ahead of us in that game. It is not about excuses but we had 12 men on the pitch and they only just won us, hardly makes them miles ahead does it.

as isaid, they won the game, whilst we didnt...they finished 4th and we finished 6th...3 points ahead of us....they scored 725 points compared to our 569..and conceded 561 compared to our 584......
facts dont lie...we was using the excuses why we didnt finish fourth, radfords sending off, which was a sending off.......simply we wasnt good enough for the season

The fact is even those stats would not place them miles ahead of us





Finishing 4th depending on the last game of the season between them and us and you consider them miles ahead of us..PMSL

they finished 3 points ahead...you only get 2 for a win

Oh dear.



You do realise that winning that game would have given us a net gain of 4 points, don't you? The two we'd have got and the two they wouldn't have.

classic

i'll get my coat

To be fair, our squad is nowhere near Wigan or Wire.

As bbm say's leeds are miles ahead of us,they had plenty of injury problems last season but did'nt bang on about them. Never got of 2nd gear in that game guess you didn't watch the game at leeds or the challenge cup game then. And the fact leeds have won 2 of the last 3 wcc would put them many miles in front of us you need to stop burying your head in the sand and wake up to the reality were not as good as you think. If you are happy to be average and finish 6th and think thats progress thats fine,but I expect more and expect us to challenge on both fronts sadly that won't happen under this regime

You taking the bet then ??????

Very true, you only have to look at what each club has achieved since 2005 CC final.

exactamundo

Enough said!!

it was a mistake on my behalf........ i apologise

The crux of the problem for so many posts on this forum.

Genuine question. Do you think Agar (and his staff) is the sole problem? If for example Mick Potter was to take charge do you think Hull would be a challenging team with the squad of players we have?

Well it seems that The Brother has got exactly what he wanted when he created this thread. 7 pages of moaning and negativity..

Great work!!

Exactly... some people think it's just an overnight repair to fix the problems of the past. It's not, the problems run deeper but the club recognise this and are trying!! We're getting there slowly but surely and personally i feel we are in a far better position than 2/3 years ago!!