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If we're talking about both players in top form, I disagree. Washy does a decent job as a stand-in 6 but is clearly a forward playing in a back's position.

I thought going back to 2008 Washy looked pretty pacey and took the line on well like a good 6 would. I think in 2009 his injuries made him look like he had bulked up and slowed down a little bit making him a better 13. Whichever position he plays, Washy would be in my starting 13 every week for his creativity, rugby brain and defensive work ethic, not to mention his leadership ability.

So when are you going to join the majority and stop cheap points scoring

You seriously need to start watching a few games before making stupid comments.

Whatever your opinion of Paul Cooke as a person, even after being allowed to capitulate at rovers he is a far more skillful playmaker then Whiting. Jason Smith had no pace but was still the most skillful player I have seen in a Hull shirt. To champion Whiting because of his reading of the game is clutching at straws. I'd like to think any team with top 4 asperations had players who could read the game.

You are also confusing someone doing a solid job with playing very well as you put it. Whiting doesn't let the side down, but he is not a star player. By definition he does his part, no more, no less.

I can see however that we are starting to hit our heads against a wall on this one. I imagine you are the type of fan who thinks Paul King was "Black and White through and through" and "always gave 110%"

I'd imagine you are the sort of fan who is needlessly aggressive for no good reason. I haven't resorted to calling your opinions stupid, whatever I might think of them. That you have chosen to post in this manner obviously says a lot about you.

On topic, Whiting reads the game much better than most. That's why I'm 'championing' him for it. It's a particularly strong, and, I would argue, useful part of his game.

Whatever position he plays, he nearly always plays well. He might not be a first choice in any of the positions he plays, but the fact that he can play each of them as well as he can means he is an invaluable member of the squad. SL squads usually have between 22 and 26 players in them. This means that not everyone can be a world class player. But I can't think of a single player that's better than Whiting at what he does.

Absolutely, he won't be in the starting 13 but he should be.

Not point scoring just not letting facts get in the way, I dont place my opinion based upon what i read on here I place mine based upon having watched the lad via my season ticket and my travel to all but three away games last season which is in my humble opinion the only way a true reflection can be made upon a lads ability is it not , or all of a sudden has the Daily Star RL column become the basis of all RL knowledge.......
but as someone else said a post or two ago



RW is a tallented individual with bags more to offer the club than GH, TL, or washy and is well in front of many of the younger lads in the pecking order, I had this VERY conversation with RW in Hull Royal before Xmas and his opinion was "I know clearly what I have to do this season and what rich expects of me" that says it all to me!!
I hope thats not letting facts get in the way is it

Absolutely bang on Dave.

As has been said before on this thread, how nice to be debating who should and who should not play in a position when there are at least two who could pull on the jersey on and excel in the position: e.g. at 13 you have Fitz and Washy (and, some would argue, Whiting) - nice to have choices like this.

Explain how whiting has bags more to offer than Washy?

In my opinion Washbrook is a loose man (a very good one) who can fill in a 6. At stand off I would pick Horne over him everytime. Horne has had one bad season due to his diabetes and his injury from 2008. He will be a different player alongside a playmaker taking the pressure off him and allowing him to do his own thing.

Can and has sucessfully covered more positions than Washy has or can!
Is a better footie brain in my mind, washy looked ineffective and lost the majority of games he managed last term ( so did they all mind)
its My opinion RW is a much better all round footballer than Washy and 100% better tackler thats for sure

Agreed he is definately a 13 however with those in front of him where is he going to pick up game time other than through injury...
Agree 150% about Horne too, however I have to say he still looks totally washed out and does not seem to have gained any weight at all in my opinion, to be honest he looked poorly last i saw him in Dec! hope thats just his look now and not the illness

Yes, thats your opinion and entitled to it you are; however, next year when you go to all the home games and all but 3 away games, I suggest you take the blindfold off.

Yes you are correct I am entitled to it my son, but dont get upset if it does not coincide with your evaluation thats the beauty of this forum, its a new year, remove the anger !!!
I suppose at least I will be there though huh but will only miss one away this year

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No real need for that, was there?


I'm not claiming that this is necessarily wrong, but when has Whiting ever been used as a playmaker in order to make a direct comparison?


You would like to think so, but the sad fact is that for the last few seasons we simply haven't. Apart from Whiting. Plus he is a natural footballer, something we have again been lacking. And before it gets mentioned, it isn't only a case of standing out in a poor side - Whiting's cleverness was equally evident during the 2005 campaign.

Valuable squad player at the very least.

I like Washy. Not as much as many do, but I like him nonetheless.

He has never looked like a good 6 IMO. Not a bad one by any means, but not someone you'd want as first choice there.

I'm given to understand that he pretty much feels the same way and does not see a move to 6 as playing to his strengths.

Congratulations on a very sensible post, have to say I agree on every comment you make and my hope is that he does get the game time as he has far far more to offer than Washy, lets not be blinkered by the 'local player' bit that has been our downfall so often. Personally I reckon RW will thrive alongside Longy and hope to see them given the chance to combine.

Thank you, glad i am not the only one who can see the "local lad" blinkers on many posters on here!!
Kissing badges does not make me a lover of any player

And this coming from someone who reckons Washy should be a 6!!!!!
Anyway, by my reckoning they are both pretty even in most departments ( including pace!!!) but I have yet to see Washy smash the you know what out of a Lesley Vainikolo, as we know Rich can, or have the prescence of mind to predict that Marcus Bai was going to attempt a risky offload, as we know Rich has. Reason enough for me to suggest Rich should be in front of Washy and that the discussions at this time next season will be about Washy's lack of game time and the possibility of him moving on.... Salford or the Crusaders it is then!!!

From memory so forgive me if i miss anything, Washy has played centre, 6,7,9 and 13. How many has Whiting played? i reckon full back, centre, 6, 2nd row or 13. I make that 5 each?

I think this talk of Whiting been smarter comes from the number of interceptions he used to make. What else does/has he done to give that impression? I'm not saying its wrong but i'm interested to know. I've seen Washy do some fantastically clever stuff, for example putting Calderwood in for a try on a couple of occasions last year by taking on the short side.

I wholly disagree about 100% better tackler, you do realise dont you that Washy regularly tops 50 tackles per game and doesnt miss many? Whiting is nowhere near that.

I love the Whiting story about smashing the volcano and how that has migrated over the years!

Funny, i seem to remember it as whiting scooping the volcanos leg up and dumping him. Not much more than that iir.

I agree, he should be a 13. I think he does give better options that most at 6 too though.