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| Quote ="therobins"Too subtle for you?
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Not really. The fact of the matter is that Rovers wanted an extra £50 on season pass prices to stem their succession of financial losses. They dreamt up a scheme whereby you basically had to pay that cash in July this year to get benefits (that only just match the joining fee) that don't start to accrue until 7 months after that, the derby offer not even materialising for a full year after payment of the joining fee. The discount on shirts is fairly common amongst other teams' standard season pass schemes. I accept that you are promised price freezes for 2011, but in return you have to pay a "nominal fee" that the club won't disclose, so you can't judge the merits of that bit yet.
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| Quote ="therobins"The likes of which, apparently, your club is about to follow!
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Did you actually read the thread?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Not really. The fact of the matter is that Rovers wanted an extra £50 on season pass prices to stem their succession of financial losses. They dreamt up a scheme whereby you basically had to pay that cash in July this year to get benefits (that only just match the joining fee) that don't start to accrue until 7 months after that, the derby offer not even materialising for a full year after payment of the joining fee. The discount on shirts is fairly common amongst other teams' standard season pass schemes. I accept that you are promised price freezes for 2011, but in return you have to pay a "nominal fee" that the club won't disclose, so you can't judge the merits of that bit yet.'"
So if it was done to raise money to stem short term cash flow difficulties it has been quite a success having raised £300k+, wouldn't you agree??
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"So if it was done to raise money to stem short term cash flow difficulties it has been quite a success having raised £300k+, wouldn't you agree??
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At what long term cost? And how many p@@ed off long standing (pun intended) fans who have lost their seats?
Still, needs must - you're right. An extra £300k will stop the gap for the next month or so.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"So if it was done to raise money to stem short term cash flow difficulties it has been quite a success having raised £300k+, wouldn't you agree??
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It won't have raised £300K+ though as children got free membership and concessions were £30 IIRC. Rovers have increased income overall, even though they have yet to achieve the same number of passholders as last year, so yes, it's raised some cash. Don't forget they are paying someone to run the scheme though, plus the cost of 2,500 books to give away,plus £25,000 bill to pay in July for the discount on the FC derby tickets...I'm sure the money's put aside for that, though, and not for installing electronic turnstiles.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"At what long term cost? And how many p@@ed off long standing (pun intended) fans who have lost their seats?
Still, needs must - you're right. An extra £300k will stop the gap for the next month or so.'"
It is impossible to evaluate the long term costs to the club or the feelings of the fans, but it is clear that they will have at least 5000 season ticket holders for the next 2 seasons if fans want to cash in on their small initial investment.
Personally i couldn't care less about the whys and wherefores of the scheme as i have not paid to see either team in years but despite Mrs B ramblings it seems the folk of east hull have embraced the scheme wholeheartedly and backed their club with their hard earned readies.
Don't see what the problem is really
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"It is impossible to evaluate the long term costs to the club or the feelings of the fans, but it is clear that they will have at least 5000 season ticket holders for the next 2 seasons if fans want to cash in on their small initial investment.
Personally i couldn't care less about the whys and wherefores of the scheme as i have not paid to see either team in years
but despite Mrs B ramblings it seems the folk of east hull have embraced the scheme wholeheartedly and backed their club with their hard earned readies.
Don't see what the problem is really
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I know you - you're that bloke who treads the divots at half time!
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| Quote ="WormInHand"I know you - you're that bloke who treads the divots at half time!'"
Danm it i've been rumbled
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| Quote ="WormInHand"You really think there are so many shallow brainless sheep.... oh hang on
Seriously, though, the Tesco et al loyalty schemes are free. The rugby "market leader's" (ha ha) is £60. Paying to donate your loyalty is an oxymoron. Loyalty is earned and given freely - to encroach on that gift from the consumer by extracting cash will eventually turn it sour so it dies.
You can't buy love. And to try to kills it.
Rovers scheme is a short term solution to their financial problems - admitted by most fans. But as soon as those fans get disgruntled aboyt their club - for whatever reason - they will start to think they "aren't getting their moneys worth for their extra sixty quid" and it will turn round and bite Rovers on the bum.
Making faithful customers pay for a membership scheme is a dangerous game for the distributor in the long run.'"
Couldn't agree more, which is why I've said it should only happen if it's free or the cost is nominal. It's about a long term relationship with the club.
Interesting that the dobbins have got people to couch up £60 and feel good about it though.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"So if it was done to raise money to stem short term cash flow difficulties it has been quite a success having raised £300k+, wouldn't you agree??
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Has it? How many of the 5000 are children? Don't they get in for free?
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"So if it was done to raise money to stem short term cash flow difficulties it has been quite a success having raised £300k+, wouldn't you agree??
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How do you work out £300k+ dont forget the kids memberships are free and they have been round every school in the area signing kids up. wether these become passholders is another question
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Has it? How many of the 5000 are children? Don't they get in for free?'"
Yeah TBF i forgot about the free child places.
Even so like you said Rovers have got people to part with £60 and feel good about it. Mrs B seems to constantly rubbish it and she is indeed getting a little bit boring now, but i don't see what there is to argue about
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Yeah TBF i forgot about the free child places.
Even so like you said Rovers have got people to part with £60 and feel good about it. Mrs B seems to constantly rubbish it and she is indeed getting a little bit boring now, but i don't see what there is to argue about
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truthfully how many looking at scheme will actually feel good about it. What people say and how they feel are different.They may understand the reasons for doing this but to say they feel good about paying an extra £60 is imo spin doctoring of the highest degree.
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| Quote ="Forever FC"truthfully how many looking at scheme will actually feel good about it. What people say and how they feel are different.They may understand the reasons for doing this but to say they feel good about paying an extra £60 is imo spin doctoring of the highest degree.'"
Fact remains it has over 5000 members.
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| Quote ="Forever FC"truthfully how many looking at scheme will actually feel good about it. What people say and how they feel are different.They may understand the reasons for doing this but to say they feel good about paying an extra £60 is imo spin doctoring of the highest degree.'"
Fact remains it has over 5000 members.
Thats more than attended last nights semi final eliminator
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Fact remains it has over 5000 members.
Thats more than attended last nights semi final eliminator
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Fact remains 5000 fans simply had to part with the cash or not risk getting in the East Stand.
Not one person I have spoken to is "happy" at having to part with £60
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| Its a scam and if anyones signed upto it they have either got too much money or are thicker than an 150 year old oak tree.
Paying 60 quid just to have a flimsy card in your ar5e pocket to get a 10er off a shirt, discounted derby ticket, 20p off a big mac or whatever.
Whatever next? these clubs get a fair chunk of salary cash thrown at them already from sky, if these people want to be the big i am at runnin sports clubs and claim ownership then they should stump up the cash themselves otherwise you may as well let any old soul run it.
As for hull taking up the scheme, well in my eyes id like to consider myself already a loyal fan after the crap ive had to put up with on the pitch served up by shocking so called personnel describing themselves as super league players and coaches these past 3 years. I have a RESERVED seat since day one in the KC and i would be extremely miffed if that was taken from me because of some jumped up money makin scheme that gives no real benefits to an already loyal suppoter of 36 years.
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| Quote ="hull smallears"Fact remains 5000 fans simply had to part with the cash or not risk getting in the East Stand.
Not one person I have spoken to is "happy" at having to part with £60'"
Nobody is ever 'happy' at parting with cash if they don't feel they need to. But the fact remains they have and if it secures them their place in the east stand all well and good, as there are further savings to be had in the long term, that is also fact.
This has just decended into the usual tribal, chest beating Hull v Rovers nonsense and i cannot take some people seriously in all honesty.
Have fun
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Nobody is ever 'happy' at parting with cash if they don't feel they need to. But the fact remains they have and if it secures them their place in the east stand all well and good, as there are further savings to be had in the long term, that is also fact.
This has just decended into the usual tribal, chest beating Hull v Rovers nonsense and i cannot take some people seriously in all honesty.
Have fun
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So you lost this one then, Gordon?
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| Quote ="t.m.t.b.f."Its a scam and if anyones signed upto it they have either got too much money or are thicker than an 150 year old oak tree.
Paying 60 quid just to have a flimsy card in your ar5e pocket to get a 10er off a shirt, discounted derby ticket, 20p off a big mac or whatever.
Whatever next? these clubs get a fair chunk of salary cash thrown at them already from sky, if these people want to be the big i am at runnin sports clubs and claim ownership then they should stump up the cash themselves otherwise you may as well let any old soul run it.
As for hull taking up the scheme, well in my eyes id like to consider myself already a loyal fan after the crap ive had to put up with on the pitch served up by shocking so called personnel describing themselves as super league players and coaches these past 3 years. I have a RESERVED seat since day one in the KC and i would be extremely miffed if that was taken from me because of some jumped up money makin scheme that gives no real benefits to an already loyal suppoter of 36 years.'"
good post mate
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| I think there are two separate schemes being discussed here.
1)A club scheme like Rovers have introduced where you pay a fee and get some "benefits" (season pass price, £10 off a shirt etc).
2) A loyalty scheme where you get a "clubcard" for free and then get points added on for, say, buying a pass, spending money in the shop, is different as it probably wouldn't involve getting season passholder benefits of, say, priority on CC tickets.
As an ongoing passholder, I already get the type of benefits in 1, but could see the benefits of 2. The problem with 1 is you get 2 tiers of season passholders, which is unnecessarily complex IMO.
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