Hall should replace the worst starting centre on Friday (yes, I am of the opinion that G.Horne is worse at centre than Littler!) and Whiting should replace Thorman at 6. But we know it won't happen

So you mis-quoted Sharp yourself just so you could conradict your own argument? That makes sense

You obviously are incapable of reading. At no point did I directly quote Sharp and it should have been obvious that the part in brackets was my opinion only. Do you practice being this thick?

I thought by "In fact I think he was asked if the missed kicks cost them and he agreed..." you actually knew what you were on about and not talking complete . My mistake.

So please point out where I quoted him? In part of the press conference when he was asked to sum up the game he stated that poor defence and execution of plays etc etc were the reason we lost. He was then asked if the missed kicks were a factor to which he agreed. All of which someone means he put all the blame for the loss on Craig Hall.

Speaking of complete rubbish.......

Again, I'll refer you to your original post that I was replying to:

In fact I think he was asked if the missed kicks cost them and he agreed that as we missed 4 from 6 (at least 2 of which were fairly simple) that they had cost us. He certainly didn't say anything like "Hall cost us the game".

That would suggest you knew what Sharp said, albeit without quoting him directly. I do remember at the time hearing that Craig (and his father) weren't best pleased with what was said after that game by Sharp.

Bloody boo hoo......Sharps qoutes were taken out of context by the mediawe outscored them try wise and didnt kick the goals...some of which were kickable.

So what you trying to say??

The others too blame for poor defence......

Jesus Wept!! You are obvioulsy incapable of following the flow of thread so I will condense it down for....deep breath....here we go......

The first comment was....



Kosh rightly pointed out that....



Mr Gekko here thought he would try to have a further dig (imagine that)



To which I pointed out that what my recollection of the events was.....




To which you somehow came to the below conclusion



You dont work for the HDM by any chance do you?

You should be a politician with that sort of mindset

"2 fairly simple missed goals cost us"
"Our goal kicker missed 2 fairly simple goals which cost us"
"Hall missed 2 fairly simple goals which cost us"

Are they not the same thing? You were making the point that Sharp didn't blame Hall in as many words, but essentially he did. What's the difference?

I've actually had a rummage back through various news archives to see if I could find the alleged comments by Sharp. Surprisingly enough not one single match report contains criticism of Hall. Who'd of thunk it.

Sharp is quoted in every report as blaming a depleted squad and having too many kids all playing at once. No mention of missed kicks.

The comments being referred to came from one post-match interview on Blunderside IIRC. As you can see above, none of the press conference quotes contained any reference to kicks.

As I recall, it was actually the interviewer who specifically asked if the missed kicks had cost us the game. Sharp at first denied it. The interviewer pressed the point and mentioned that the kicks were simple ones. Sharp said something along the lines of Hall would normally expect to kick those and would probably be disappointed that he didn't, and that he was only a kid and would learn from the experience. The interviewer then said something about if the kicks had gone over we'd have won, and Sharp agreed with him - which was the truth.

On here that quickly got converted into Sharp blaming Hall for the loss. Go figure.

This is the last time because you are surely on a wind-up.....

:3vseblim

Why the **** have you put quotes around that sentance? I never said Sharp used the words "2 simple kicks" I said that when he was asked about the kicks he said that as we only converted 4 from 6 it was a factor in us losing the game. It was me that added on the part about 2 of the kicks being fairly simple. He also mentioned several other factors, I'm sure if he was asked about somebody dropping the ball whilst attempting to score a try he would have said that was a factor as well.

"Our goal kicker missed 2 fairly simple goals which cost us"
"Hall missed 2 fairly simple goals which cost us"

:3vseblimAre they not the same thing?

As you cant distinguish between what is a quote and what is somebody re-hashing what was said you really should apply for that job at the HDM. Sharp never singled out Craig Hall for blame but when asked about the kicks he simply (and correctly) pointed out that it was a factor in the defeat but that if we had done our jobs properley in the first place those kicks wouldn't have mattered anyway.

Please try to get past my wording of my initial statement and realise it was not a direct quote of P.Sharp before we all die of boredom.

Yeah I remember it being on Humberside. I seem to remember him being asked about Hall's selection for his SL debut and subsequent kicking performance, and he made a comment along the lines of 'He was in the team to kick goals and didn't kick them all'.

As you say, not specifically pinning the blame of the result on Hall, but it is easy to see why the kid might have been a bit upset if he heard that kind of thing. Although that's something that should be easily sorted behind closed doors and only the smallest minority of us have even a chance of knowing how it all panned out between them, in the main it's simply gossip and conjecture.

IMO it was as much a case of Sharp being led down the garden path a bit whilst in the disappointing aftermath of a narrow defeat, it's no secret he wasn't entirely media savvy at times.

would like to thank craig hall for is time at the vikings,we would have him full time if we could.well done craig you wont get no negatives from widnes vikings. also cheers hull fc for loaning him to us.
can we have him permanent.

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Its good to see he has his onfidence back. Back in the team for friday?

I'd love to think he'll get his chance

He's in the squad so who knows

I would bleeding hope so wtf we gotta lose????

Craigs a great lad and we have loved having him at Widnes and he will always be welcome back. I do hope he gets back in at Hull and shows what he can do. His try scoring record speaks for itself.

Agree. Craig is on of only a couple of players in our squad that has a natural gift attacking wise.

A nice tribute to Hall for his contribution to Widnes from Cullen:

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Never thought I'd say this but I'm beginning to like Paul Cullen.