G Horne as first choice second row? Have you been eating mushrooms you found in your garden?

Nope, I think he would go well in that position, and at little expense.

Up until his injury I'd have agreed with you. Since his return, however, he's lost a lot of weight and his defence has suffered. Maybe that's down to him managing his diabetes and with some more work on his diet he could regain some weight and his defence would improve again.

Richard needs some confidence, that isn't coming from playing behind a beaten pack outside a useless half-back partner and knowing you are not in the right position for your talents, with a coach with no game plan, who doesn't understand interchanges, set plays or team tactics.

I can kind of forgive Richard his deficiencies this season.

Then you're totally bonkers. He's nowhere near a first choice spot of any kind. He's well behind just about every one of the players you listed below your first choice 13.

For someone who can't wait to say just how mediocre he thinks Whiting is, regardless of the fact that he's one of the best RL brains we have, it's even more baffling that you'd start G Horne.

I agree, Standee is bonkers. Could name a few at our club, Mike Burnett for one, who would be in front of him before we even consider availability of players from other clubs who would probably be on the same wage level.

That's the best summation I've read, and I agree with 100%. The lad is pure rugby league, he must have been conceived on the pitch and born in the dressing room

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6/13 in direct contest with Washy, I think Whiting is the better of the 2.

he is awful

whiting better than washy???? Washy comes up a shade better in every area, whiting is close but just not as good. Would like them both on the pitch at the same time tbh at 6 or 13, not really fussed which way round!

IMO Whiting is the better playmaker of the two, reads the game superbly , hence all the interceptions, man if he had pace, he'd be a class centre.

Disagree.

I think Washys overall skill set is better suited to LF than Whitings. Whiting is one of those players who can't command a postion, but is excellent back up due to his ability to be solid wherever he plays.

Couldn't agree more. As for a lack of pace Whiting isn't that slow and certainly no slower than Wellens who still gets rated as one of the top FB's in SL.
He looked asured and comfortable at FB, would prefer to see him there than Horne.

Has anything been said about Hornes injury?

Could we see Whiting start at 1 v Cas with Horne or Thorman at 6? Maybe Thorman at 6 and R Horne at 3?

I reckon if R. Horne is fit he'll be at full back and Whiting at centre. Want to see how R. Horne would go at centre as I think he should play there next season. He's got the pace to play there, his defence was good against the bigger blokes a couple of seasons, so he should do alright against the smaller ones. I reckon he'll be able to put his winger away too.

Cant see Graeme being moved from 3.

I remember seeing him play FB in the under 21's a few times and looked fairly comfortable there. Seemed very comfortable there on Saturday too.

He really does seem very self-assured in whichever position he plays doesn't he. He doesn't seem to panic. I think his rugby-brain gives him that extra split second in which to weigh up his options so he makes few bad decisions (hope that comment doesn't come back to haunt me). He also seems to be one step ahead when defending which probably accounts for his knack of interecepting or hacking-on loose balls.

Disagree Whiting has not had the chance to cement a position in the side,
and to say Washy is better suited to the loose forward role, well i like my loose forwards with more than a side step. He may be better suited if you want to play the extra wide running second row as we have been using (ala all teams now because the Ausies do it must be right) kind of role,
But I would rather it go to an extra flair player (Christ we don’t have enough of them as it is) so we need to utilise them.

And we aren’t utilising Rich Whitings talents in the centre or sat on the sodding bench he needs to have the ball in his hands at every opportunity and if people cant see this after last week, well I despair.

If I had the chance though I would give the 6 to Whiting for the rest of the year with berro at 7 and (if he is ok) Horne FB, we would have three quality players in the middle of the park then.

I don’t think we can afford Whiting at loose this year as our pack just isn't big enough to cope but next year it will be.

Totally agree with that comment, and where do we need someone who seems to have that little bit of time on the ball, and take the initiative??
Get the lad in at stand off, it makes sense!

Spot on!

Well, yes. Their record for the past 30+ years shows that they know what they're doing.

So they've tupped us at every available opportunity because they play 3 second rowers? Or because they generally produce a better standard of player, and in greater numbers, in each of the key positions?

Either way, we're not talking about international games, we're talking about what will be best for Hull. I agree with rich1977. Washy is basically another second rower and that's where I'd play him. Whiting has the potential to be every bit as important to our attacking structure next season as Nelson Mandella was in his pomp.

Nelson Mandela played for hull?

Ah yes they are excellent at their brand of RL. But its always astute to look at who are doing better overall than you are, and cherry pick what can improve you. Not to become a carbon copy. That is what the game has been trying to do here.
Hence we have seen any real creativity slowly squeezed out of our game. You only have to look at the lack of proper SH's to see that.
I've got a bit of a bee in my bonnet about this subject after seeing how well Richard played on Saturday. He needs to be given a pivotal role. Lets face it, we have nout to loose have we??