I really dont think the people who run this club realise how much it means to so many people. We go to matches week in and week out and most of us can see what is bloody wrong.
I am sick to death of being taken for a mug. What is soul destroying is you can see the effort put in by most of the lads, but because the bloody club wont invest in top coaching staff and a good scrum half we are just treading water trying not to drown.
It's about time the damn idiots in charge of our club woke up and smelt the roses.
End of rant.

The thing is aslong as there is fans through the turnstyles and money in the tills for merchandise they won't give two hoots whether we win or lose. They'll sign a big name from Aus to keep tongues wagging, maybe sack a coach to give fans a little bit of renewed hope but then replace that coach with even worse.

I used to think I'd always go to FC matches but I can't support that, not at over £20 to watch the worst rugby I've ever seen from an FC side. Everything about matchday is now painful, theres no optimism amongst fans, the atmospheres are terrible and most weeks you ended up ranting the same old stuff.

Sure we don't have to follow FC, thats something the club should remember. About time they respected the fans, without us they is no club.

I agree, its about time the people who run this club realise that they have to invest in this club or the cash cow that is us the fans will dissapear. The only reason we've put up with this for so long is because we love the club. It's a shame a few of the 'powers that be' don't feel the same.

unfortunatly for all fc fans......rule and hetherington think this is a good move!!!!!!!! WHAT A BUNCH OF C**TS....

HOUSE!

As those of you on here who know me will vouch, I travel a hell of a long way week in week out to support my club.

Despite rants at the start of the season I have menaged somehow to see games on Fridays and I have been to away matches, all at considerable cost. My wife and kids have been on beans on toast at times this year so hat we had money for petrol and tickets. I have questioned this at times, my wife certainly has. But no I have dismissed it as I have the faith.

But having made the journey up yesterday morning, spent a plesant few hours watching a highly competative u21 match. ( I have another story from that game) I attended the KC with some, though not alot of enthusiasm. A poor Wire versus a average FC I thought. Well I wasn't wrong.

30 odd years I have watched FC. 30 odd years of success and failure in not so equal amounts. I never gave up hope though. May 82, 83, 91, August 05 showed that hope is always there.

Even through the bad times I always believed and was always as I recall entertained. Upset at times, called the odd player mainly stars who I felt were not performing but this is rare. Apart from Casey I never even shouted for a coach to be sacked. ( his rants after a expected defeat at Saints one year was awful so he had to go.)
But I sat in my £23 seat last night. I felt good when we went ahead and felt that Wire were there for a thrashing. Their pathetic following showed what their fans expected. Though I am sure they are saving for next weeks match.

We go in at half time ahead and seemingly comfortable. But I now have to ask WTF does the half time talk consist of. "Well done boys, you won that half lets test our defence in the next and see if we can hold on"

We defended reasonably well. At times I thought we held our line well. But christ when we get the ball. Instead of thinking great lets get ourselves away from here, we constantly play dumb predictable one out rugby with a pathetic kicking game.

We have no urgency, we have no desire and yes I am questioning the pride and passion of some out there. I am talking local lads as well as "out of towners".

Thorman was signed in a blaze of glory. His kicking game was what we needed. I never bought into this, but he was to play for my club so I was prepared to back him. NOT anymore. He would look poor in NL let alone in SL. He could not kick us out of a paper bag. His kicks to them were so accurate I would argue he is more accurate at that then passing to his own players. He is up there with the MPs of this country in terms of ripping off his employers.

As a result our attack when in the 73rd minute we got into their half was so flat and predictable. Their defensive line was flat knowing full well all they had to do was take their man. No one is running the angles. No one is running with enthusiasm. Kingy put in a great tackle on their 30m line and their player knocked on. Great we thought. We have the ball in good position. But could we capitalise. Could we F...

Enough is enough. Injuries ae now a poor excuse. We have had that for years now. You can hide behind that for so long but not anymore. Last yar we had the stat about our half backs only playing 20 mins together all season, if at all and that was the reason for defeats. This year its been almost all the matches, we are still poor. Excuses must stop and action needs taking.

Just over 10000 there. Looks a poor crowd, but on this performance whenever we play that will soon be a good crowd.
I am now another £80 out of pocket. The wife will be lucky to get toast this week. It will be me who is toasted for wasting more money and being a moody git for a week.

10997 is hardly "just over 10,000".

It was our lowest SL crowd since September 2006 though.

The turn out from Wire was awfull as well......pathetic really.

I understand the sentiment, but, sorry, I don't agree yesterday was the worst rugby ever. In 20 years I've been going, I've seen worse on several occasions. Every time we went to Saints we got completely steamrollered, for example. As the Rovers fans remind us, it was years after promotion before we managed to get into the play-offs. People talk on here as if the years between 1999 and 2006 were some golden era of champagne rugby. Either my memory is rubbish or theirs is, because there were long periods there where we were just making up the numbers.

People are understandably hacked off that we have gone from top 2 to poor in 3 seasons, but saying this is the worst we have ever been is an over-reaction IMO.

Depends how you quantify it. This lot have the benefit of full time training. Quality ( open to opinion) coaching. A full time wage which many on here would dream of. And the end product of this is ......................................

In the Walsh era for example not oneof us expected to be pulling up trees each week. We did not expect to be in the play offs. All we expected was pride and passion. It was a very limited squad with low expectations.

If there is any fault to be aimed at fans now is that after a Cup win, Grand Final appearence, Wembley appearence and the highest crowds we have ever had, we are expecting too much.
If we had no expectations then the crowds would be in the 8000 or less region and we would be happy with a minimum skill level. Just like in the Walsh era for example.

But the club have bigged things up. Brought in alledged quality players. Attracted big crowds on the back of this and we have all bought into it. We are now being conned.

Our formative years at the KC were a period when we played entertaining rugby football. Length of the field tries. Fast flowing rugby which entertained. A game of rugby subuteo would be more entertaining that what is being produced by HFC at the moment.

In my opinion last night's performance was a further reflection on our tactical approach to the game under Richard Agar.

Five drives. Kick. No mistakes. No penalties.

And that's it. It is both basic and negative. There's a saying in poker that you can't win if you're afraid to lose, and I think that sums up Agar's style perfectly. We're too afraid to lose to take any chances.

Injuries are a conveniant excuse to explain last night's performance, but we've played like that all season. The players are giving 100% week-in, week-out but they are playing to a flawed gameplan (when you consider our props don't go forward and our half back can't kick) and a coach that doesn't appear to be willing, or able, to adapt his tactics to the players at his disposal.

The other major issue I have is with the balance of the squad. We are desperately weak at scrum half and prop forward. And we probably need a long term right centre. The one position we are well covered in is the second row. Fitzgibbon is undoubtadly an excellent player but I hope he has been brought in as part of a long term plan to rebalance the squad, rather than out of a misguided need to sign a marquee player whatever the position.

Most people rightly argue that we need a top class scrum half to progress as a club. And I agree. But to me signing one, if not two, top class prop forwards HAS to be our priority. Carvell and Morley were in a different league to our prop forwards last night.

Overall the Warrington game was no more or less disappointing to me than the Wakefield game. Or the Hull KR game. Or the Castleford game. Or any game we have played this season. They've all been the same. Some we'll hang on and win, some we'll lose, probably narrowly. And we'll continue hurtling towards a mid-table finish.

In my opinion that is not good enough for a club that should be aiming high.

Please forward to James/Kaff/Richard/Jon.

I think you missed the point a bit.

We always got smashed AWAY AT Saints & Wigan and the like (like you stated).

Pmarrow said it was a waste of £20 FOR A HOME GAME.

I am disgusted with our attitude at home, fortress KC my @r$e. What a waste of £23 a seat!

And expect a price rise next year, i'm sure!

No, we'll lose narrowly and pretend we have a competetive set up.

Be disgusted at our gameplan and lack of quality on the pitch if you like. You can't say the effort and attitude was "disgusting" last night. Well, you can, and you did, but I don't agree it. For example, are you really saying that Thackray, King, Cusack, Houghton, Calderwood, Horne, Whiting had a "disgusting attitude" yesterday?

From the off Thacks looked good, he ran hard and wanted to to be that rip ass forward we have missed. Fair play to him.

But have we really looked like a "home" team all season? No

Might as well play every game on neutral venue, it'd cost less to start with.

This is Warrington's situation this season. Five years of 'move to the HJ' optimism finally ran out at the end of 2008. It explains why our away following has been so poor this year - the fans have had enough 'false dawns' and even with Tony Smith in charge ( the first coach to come to Warrington since the 1970s having previously won a major title elsewhere beforehand ) the fans are finally taking a 'believe it when I see it' attitude. You guys will probably have to go through the same thing.

BTW, sound simple to say we need a top class 7 and a top-class new coach - its a lot harder to actually find either.

Agreed. There's nothing wrong with the effort from the players or their attitude. I think that has been first class.

As mentioned in my previous post, the problem is with the limited and negative gameplan employed by the coach and with the balance of the squad.

We have played the same way all season regardless of our injury situation.

Our weakest positions are prop forward and half back in my opinion. Yet we continue to employ a safety first, five drives and a kick strategy. Yes, a strategy that relies chiefly on strong go forward props and a good kicking game from half back.

We are effectively playing to our weaknesses. It's crazy.

I echo that. I'm fed up of watching the same old, predictable boring rugby. The enthusiasm has gone.

Not at all, it is the worst Rugby we play. We can't even do the basics right, we play one man rugby with a pack making no ground or not even an offload. We have backs that can't string a move together, if Wire had not being down to 12 men we probably wouldn't have scored a try all game.

I'm sorry but this is by the far the most boring, dull and worst kind of Rugby I have seen from any FC side.

I don't want effort from just a few players, I don't want excuses. I want a team that is prepered to go out there and go to hell and back to win a game of Rugby League.

Oh dear...........stand by................

Another one who has seen the light. Don't listen to the grade A licence brigade mate, they'll come round eventually

wire were there for the taking last night. Decent 1st half, then an agar 1/2 time team talk where he must have told them to shove it up their jumper and hold on for the win. Doesn't work in the modern game. agar needs to go now before things get worse