Maybe so but the players still showed a lack of effort and enthusiasm, a bit more in both departments would have won us the game.

Would play Tommy Lee at 7 before Houghton.

I disagree. They've conceeded more than double the points we have and are conceeding an average of 38 points a game. They are by far the worst defensive team in the league. Even with a poor game plan etc we should have scored more points than that and they only score an average of 15 points a game so our defence should have been much better as well.

You're kidding right?????

Yes please Mr Agar/Sharp!

So would I.

You are possibly/probably right, I was thinking more of a shake up than anything permenant (but not this weekend), looking at it as another option seeing as TL failed at 7 last season, that could have been down to having Washy at 6 most of the time a stranger to that position.

Look at how the game is moving on, Saints have played Roby at SH, and look at Wilkin at 6 yesterday, he also played at 6 in his youth, Gilmour at centre. Moves like that are how the game is evolving rather than those 3 mentioned being 'utility' they are taking it to the next level IMO.

Not in the slightest

Or is Agars game plan to lull Rovers into thinking that they are crap by losing a couple of games and then spring the trap on Friday??


no were just shart!!

King has been less than average ..
Berrigan was awful too which surprised me...

Thorman looked clueless

Horne was runnig backwards and forwards with no one offering themselves as a runner.

I think there is bigger issues than we know at present

I'd play Moa at 7 before Tommy Lee.

If they cant get fired up to play against that dirty shower form the east, then they need kicking out.

This is THE game we want to win every year, simple as

I'd quite happily lose this one if we had won the last 3.

Enough is enough for me. lets have 2 different half backs cos the two we have had all season aint doing their job and earning their monies (which we pay )

1 R Horne (potentially best full back in country, not living up to expectations as a half back)
2 M Calderwood
3 G Horne
4 K Yeaman
5 T Briscoe
6 R Whiting (give him chance to see if he can do better than Thorman and Horne)
7 T Lee ( give him a chance cos at least he plays with desire and passion to have a go and at least try to earn his money)
8 E Dowes
9 S Berrigan
10 J Thackarey
11 L Radford
12 D Tickle
13 D Washbrook

14 W Manu ( ffs give the man a rest to be more of a handful when he gets on. jesus you dont buy a rolls royce and go scrabbling in it do you? )
15 P Cusack ( to spell Dowes)
16 P King ( to spell Thackaray)
17 C Hall (Utility players to fill whatever gaps appear)

RESTED
Moa to get him fit by playing full games in reserves
DROPPED
Thorman cos he's like curry. only worth paying for if its hot and he ain't

I'd have Radford swapping left and right sides to spell Tickle and Manu as long as one of those two were always on pitch if not both.

may be drastic changing both half backs but we got everything to gain by finding two players that can do the job

8 games and no signs of the present 2 been good enough

My 17 would be.

Hall
Calderwood
G Horne
Yeaman
Briscoe
R Horne
Thorman
Dowes
Berrigan
Cusack
Radford
Tickle
Whiting

Houghton
Manu
Thackeray (if problems sorted)
Moa

No chance. Thorman at 7. Hall DEFINATELY not on the wing. Lee on the bench. I'd like to start with Dowes and King but i don't expect it.

Not such a bad selection that

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. IF we are calling for tl to be given another go at half back because he plays for a 10 minute stint were he does not have the pressure of creativity then the medication needs to be dished out.

He is not a 6,7,or 9 he has had his chance and we now need to be brave and give other players a crack at the key positions.

Get Whiting at 6 were he played for Featherstone and what we actually bought him for.

Washbrook at 13 his natural position

leave Berrigan on the pitch for 80mins

Bench: Thackery, Manu, King, Maloney

All pack I agree but Whiting can move to centre , Fullback ,
Washy to 6 Yeaman second row Manu Centre

Lets be brave and not suicidal

One last thing if TL does play at 6 and we get stuffed he plays poorly can that be the end of the debate no more it was everyone elses fault
Please...........

Have you seen Whiting, Maloney and Thacks play in the reserves the last 2 games? They are not the answer, Whiting was rounded 4 times on Saturday by a young Wigan lad no ones heard of. Maloney and Thacks were getting smashed by a young Wigan pack. The squad isnt broken, the coaching is as far as im concerned.

Aye, it's a great plan. Drop Rich Horne into a position where he hasn't played for years and ask him to start a Derby game there.

Rovers would have a field day.

Best shout of the lot. Dobson will kill Hall with bombs and grubbers. Thorman has more experience, and it could be just a one off for the derby.

As well as calling up players that arent ready for the first team yet evidenced by them being out played by young kids in the reserves. We'd get stuffed if we changed our 17 drastically, we need to seriously re-think our plans though imo. The 17 players arent the issue for me.

One of them is.

out of our squad who do u think we should get rid of,i can think of seven players.

but I bet you can't think of 7 replacements that we can afford.

I'd go with this one:

1 Jack Briscoe,
2 Nev Morrison,
3 Ben Smith,
4 Richard Whiting
5 Dennis Tuffour,
6 Danny Nicklas
7 Pat Smith,
8 Jamie Thackray
9 Danny Houghton,
10 Dominic Maloney,
11 Josh Hodgson,
12 Jack Iley
13 Kallum Birch.

Subs. Paul Stamp, Luke Bowering, Danny Bell, Paul Shaw.